Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-28-2013, 11:42 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,423
Be afraid ,be very afraid. Spring compressor failure ,no one hurt ,just their pride.

This is what happens when a coil spring compressor fails - Autoblog
Rent the right tool for mercdes 123 here from the rental program .

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-28-2013, 11:53 AM
Admiral-Third World Fleet
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Central FL
Posts: 3,069
Yeah, except that that WAS the right spring compressor to use and they f'd it up....
__________________
80 300SD (129k mi) 82 240D stick (193k mi)77 240D auto - stick to be (153k mi) 85 380SL (145k mi) 89 BMW 535i 82 Diesel Rabbit Pickup (374k mi) 91 Jetta IDI Diesel (155k mi) 81 VW Rabbit Convertible Diesel 70 Triumph Spitfire Mk III (63kmi)66 Triumph TR4a IRS (90k mi)67 Ford F-100 (??)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-28-2013, 12:10 PM
DeliveryValve's Avatar
Chairman of my Benz
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Central California
Posts: 4,159
Quote:
Originally Posted by rs899 View Post
Yeah, except that that WAS the right spring compressor to use and they f'd it up....
That was the correct style, but the question is what brand was it? A generic clone? And how many times has that tool been used? Perhaps it has been over used. Not really sure in that number.


.
__________________
1983 123.133 California
- GreaseCar Veg System


Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-28-2013, 12:17 PM
JamesDean's Avatar
Electrical Engineer
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 5,038
I've seen this video before!

1) These guys didnt use it properly.

2) They didn't compress that spring nearly enough.

3) There was no need to take all the other parts out.

4) Really? You're going to man handle the spring compressor and beat up on it like that? Its only holding back oodles of stored energy that could possibly be deployed at you...

5) I really didn't see the spring compressor fail. They showed no shots of it in a "broken" state. So I cannot say the compressor failed because of metal fatigue or because they incorrectly used or, maybe it wasn't fully engaged..maybe the plates weren't fully locked...

I have one of the Klann Clones that you can get for $300 on eBay. I've used it on my 126 300SD and 124 300D. This week I'll be using it on my 126 420SEL.

Rule #1: Respect the compressor.
Rule #2: Triple check everything before compressing/decompressing.
Rule #3: Avoid aiming the compressed spring at your body.
Rule #4: Don't beat up on the thing!
__________________
Cruise Control not working? Send me PM or email (jamesdean59@gmail.com). I might be able to help out.
Check here for compatibility, diagnostics, and availability!

(4/11/2020: Hi Everyone! I am still taking orders and replying to emails/PMs/etc, I appreciate your patience in these crazy times. Stay safe and healthy!)


82 300SD 145k
89 420SEL 210k
89 560SEL 118k
90 300SE 262k RIP 5/25/2010
90 560SEL 154k
91 300D 2.5 Turbo. 241k
93 190E 3.0 235k
93 300E 195k
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-28-2013, 12:41 PM
Admiral-Third World Fleet
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Central FL
Posts: 3,069
I leant my Klann clone to my buddy to fix his 240D. He somehow used it to compress the spring and left it compressed and hanging in the chassis while he did hours of work below. Talk about the Sword of Damocles...
__________________
80 300SD (129k mi) 82 240D stick (193k mi)77 240D auto - stick to be (153k mi) 85 380SL (145k mi) 89 BMW 535i 82 Diesel Rabbit Pickup (374k mi) 91 Jetta IDI Diesel (155k mi) 81 VW Rabbit Convertible Diesel 70 Triumph Spitfire Mk III (63kmi)66 Triumph TR4a IRS (90k mi)67 Ford F-100 (??)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-28-2013, 12:41 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,423
When they slowed the video down you could see a piece of shrapnel fly between both of them,close call .
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-28-2013, 02:41 PM
w123fanman's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 1,691
The Dangers of Replacing Coil Springs on Your Vehicle - Full Clip - YouTube here is the full clip, starting at where it went wrong. Maybe they are using a cheap tool, I wouldn't be the expert, but this gives a bit more info on what went wrong.
For added safety, this would seem to be a good idea: How to compress a coil spring with ratchet straps - YouTube
__________________
Current: 1975 450SEL, 83 300D, 88 Yugo GVX, 90 300D OM603 swap, 91 F150 4.6 4v swap, 93 190E Sportline LE 3.0L M104 swap, 93 190E Sportline LE Megasquirt, 03 Sprinter, 06 E500 4Matic wagon.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-28-2013, 02:49 PM
JamesDean's Avatar
Electrical Engineer
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 5,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by w123fanman View Post
The Dangers of Replacing Coil Springs on Your Vehicle - Full Clip - YouTube here is the full clip, starting at where it went wrong. Maybe they are using a cheap tool, I wouldn't be the expert, but this gives a bit more info on what went wrong.
For added safety, this would seem to be a good idea: How to compress a coil spring with ratchet straps - YouTube
They said it "fell off"....which means they didnt have it properly positioned or compressed. They might not have had the plates aligned properly. I did this the first time with my 124.

I had the spring at about the same level of compression that they did. I did not have the entire suspension torn apart, just the spring in its normal space, slightly compressed.

As I tightened down the compressor popped as the top plate released. Certainly scared the crap out of me! Never will make that mistake again.
__________________
Cruise Control not working? Send me PM or email (jamesdean59@gmail.com). I might be able to help out.
Check here for compatibility, diagnostics, and availability!

(4/11/2020: Hi Everyone! I am still taking orders and replying to emails/PMs/etc, I appreciate your patience in these crazy times. Stay safe and healthy!)


82 300SD 145k
89 420SEL 210k
89 560SEL 118k
90 300SE 262k RIP 5/25/2010
90 560SEL 154k
91 300D 2.5 Turbo. 241k
93 190E 3.0 235k
93 300E 195k
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-28-2013, 03:00 PM
benhogan's Avatar
CPA/Greasemonkey
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Chapel Hill
Posts: 1,092
soooo...i was thinking of getting the Klann clone on Ebay. Bad idea?
__________________
Ben
1987 190d 2.5Turbo
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-28-2013, 03:03 PM
JamesDean's Avatar
Electrical Engineer
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 5,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by benhogan View Post
soooo...i was thinking of getting the Klann clone on Ebay. Bad idea?
I've got one. No complaints here. Its good for our hobby useage but I would not buy one for daily use in a shop.
__________________
Cruise Control not working? Send me PM or email (jamesdean59@gmail.com). I might be able to help out.
Check here for compatibility, diagnostics, and availability!

(4/11/2020: Hi Everyone! I am still taking orders and replying to emails/PMs/etc, I appreciate your patience in these crazy times. Stay safe and healthy!)


82 300SD 145k
89 420SEL 210k
89 560SEL 118k
90 300SE 262k RIP 5/25/2010
90 560SEL 154k
91 300D 2.5 Turbo. 241k
93 190E 3.0 235k
93 300E 195k
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-28-2013, 03:23 PM
DeliveryValve's Avatar
Chairman of my Benz
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Central California
Posts: 4,159
Quote:
Originally Posted by benhogan View Post
soooo...i was thinking of getting the Klann clone on Ebay. Bad idea?
If the clone is similar to the one shown on post #7 and in this pic in which one of the plates has an open slot to slide the plate in sideways, run away!





You need this type with the plates closed to prevent it to slip out.




.
Attached Thumbnails
Be afraid ,be very afraid. Spring compressor failure ,no one hurt ,just their pride.-image.jpg   Be afraid ,be very afraid. Spring compressor failure ,no one hurt ,just their pride.-4870_overhead.jpg  
__________________
1983 123.133 California
- GreaseCar Veg System



Last edited by DeliveryValve; 05-28-2013 at 03:40 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-28-2013, 03:25 PM
JamesDean's Avatar
Electrical Engineer
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 5,038
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeliveryValve View Post
If the clone is similar to the one shown on post #7 and in this pic in which one of the plates has an open slot to slide the plate in sideways, run away!





You need this type with the plates closed to prevent it to slip out.




.

I didn't even notice that it was that type...That's not the right tool at all then.

This is the one I bought:
Mercedes Benz Coil Spring Compressor Repair Tool Set Free Shipping | eBay
__________________
Cruise Control not working? Send me PM or email (jamesdean59@gmail.com). I might be able to help out.
Check here for compatibility, diagnostics, and availability!

(4/11/2020: Hi Everyone! I am still taking orders and replying to emails/PMs/etc, I appreciate your patience in these crazy times. Stay safe and healthy!)


82 300SD 145k
89 420SEL 210k
89 560SEL 118k
90 300SE 262k RIP 5/25/2010
90 560SEL 154k
91 300D 2.5 Turbo. 241k
93 190E 3.0 235k
93 300E 195k
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-28-2013, 03:41 PM
DeliveryValve's Avatar
Chairman of my Benz
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Central California
Posts: 4,159
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesDean View Post
I didn't even notice that it was that type...That's not the right tool at all then.

This is the one I bought:
Mercedes Benz Coil Spring Compressor Repair Tool Set Free Shipping | eBay
Yep, that is the safer designed clone.


.
__________________
1983 123.133 California
- GreaseCar Veg System


Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-28-2013, 03:51 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Out in the Boonies of Hot, Dry, Dusty, Windy Nevada
Posts: 9,673
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesDean View Post
I didn't even notice that it was that type...That's not the right tool at all then.

This is the one I bought:
Mercedes Benz Coil Spring Compressor Repair Tool Set Free Shipping | eBay

I have this same one, but got it off CL for $75 and never been used.

You still have to make double sure the lower plate is locked in good and tight with the three fingers on the Rod.

I believe Roy said these clone compressors are good for about 100 uses. so for us DIY selfers, not a problem.
Wish I could remember what thread I read that on.

Charlie
__________________
there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-28-2013, 08:38 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: West of Ft. Worth. TX
Posts: 4,186
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeliveryValve View Post
If the clone is similar to the one shown on post #7 and in this pic in which one of the plates has an open slot to slide the plate in sideways, run away!





You need this type with the plates closed to prevent it to slip out.




.
DITTO!

Even with the correct compressor, there were a multitude of mistakes in that video. "Professionals?" Egad!

NEVER, pry on a compressed spring. If you can't just lift it out, you don't have it compressed enough. (For better safety, compress it only slightly and tap it with a rubber mallet to make sure everything is seated on the compressor, BEFORE taking everything apart.)

Even the installation was a nightmare waiting to happen. Compressing the spring while resting the end against his thigh? Can we say broken femur? or possibly crippled for life?

Too bad they didn't use common sense and show the correct way the remove/install the spring. Personally, they should have either deleted that video and done it correctly or shown how to do it correctly at the end.

__________________
Sam

84 300SD 350K+ miles ( Blue Belle )
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page