I just had a wheel alignment done on my 85 300D. The steering wheel is not centered. I have no reason to believe that the wheels are not aligned properly, and due to steering box play, I realize that it is a little difficult for alignment shop to center the steering wheel perfectly without several road tests and tweaking.

The idea of centering the steering wheel on these cars is a little questionable anyway, because due to free play, my experience is that depending on the slant of the road (left lane vs. center lane vs. right lane on a highway) you need to compensate by holding steering wheel to right or left anyway. By comparison, my wife's 97 volvo 850 tracks straight no matter what.

Nevertheless, my steering wheel is off center a little

My question is this: I would rather center the steering wheel myself to my liking rather than bring it back to the shop....this seems to be very simple... shorten tie rod on one side by half a turn, lengthen same on other side by half a turn...etc. etc.....

Will this throw off another aspect of the alignment (toe in, camber etc??). I dont think so...it seems that tie rod adjustments would be independent of other things, but I dont really know for sure.


Thanks,

Mark

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1984 300TD Wagon, 407,800 mi (current daily driver)
1985 300DT Sedan, 330,000 mi (gone to that great autobahn in the sky)

Your car has a slot on the steering box into which a locking pin is inserted while aligning the front end. The pin locks the steering gear into the straight ahead position, guaranteeing the wheel is centered to the greatest extent possible. A shop which is familiar with MB would have used this to center the steering gear for a better result.

That said it is certainly possible to adequately center the wheel without locking it. How far off is yours? A cockeyed wheel is generally a sign of an alignment technician too lazy to do the job right. I'd suggest you take it back and have them either do it right or refund your money.

Yes, you can adjust the tie rods in equal increments to center the wheel. It will not change the alignment, though you'll likely alter the total toe a bit. Get it too far off and you'll see excessive wear on the front tires.

Ditto...

You would be surprised how many Off the Wall align shops
don't even know that Benz has an Index mark/pin lock set-up to insure a straight wheel built into the car.

That's why Benz familiar Techs should be sought out for accurate alignment...

I have seen reference made to this slot/locking pin before. Where is this located on the steering box? I have looked for it before without success and would like to point my alignment shop to it.

Thanks,

Mark

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1987 300TDT 283K (Sold)
1999 528iTa 75K
1991 300D 2.5T 214K - Dead Tranny
1984 300DT 375K (Sold)

Mark,

I've had done exactly what you propose. The shop apparently did not know about the locking pin....and they overshot the centering the other way just a bit. I could live with it since I too have some free play and it was close.
The problem is that my tires are showing excessive wear on the outer edge on the drivers side, so the toe-in is definitely affected.
I would go back to the shop too.

There is an adjustment on the steering box that is supposed to help with the free play, I read the procedure in the archives but I don't know if it works.

Rgds, Ed

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Current wives...
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2000 CLK430 Cab "The Cab"
85 300D Turbo "The Diesel"

Past wives...
92 300E
85 190E

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Mark -

Why don't you post your email address. I'll see if I can dig up a PDF file with information on the steering box. What I have is from the 124 CD, but the steering boxes are pretty much the same.

- Jim

My email is mmalchik@gza.com

thanks

mark

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1984 300TD Wagon, 407,800 mi (current daily driver)
1985 300DT Sedan, 330,000 mi (gone to that great autobahn in the sky)

I agree totally with el presidente.

To correct this properly, you need to turn the tie rods the same direction on both sides an equal amount to maintain correct toe while moving the steering wheel into aligned position.

In other words turn both sides say exactly one half turn in the same direction, then see where the wheel is. If you think about it a little, you will know which direction will move the wheel in the proper direction.

If it were me, I would recheck the toe after the wheel is centered.

Good luck,

I think it is also acceptable to move the steering wheel a couple of splines.. if that is easier...Greg

DO NOT just move the steering wheel; if your steering is off at the box, your turn signal cancelling will be off. Putting your steering wheel on center will not correct that.

I concur with the others: take it back and have them do it correctly. I am taking mine back for precisely that reason.

This assumes that yours is similar to my 85 300.

Peter
1985 300TD

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Peter
1985 300TD 4-speed 212K
1992 400E 343K
2001 E320 72K

just re-checked your post, and see you DO have an 85.

Do not just re-center your steering wheel.

Good luck
Peter

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1985 300TD 4-speed 212K
1992 400E 343K
2001 E320 72K

I only mentioned it because the Factory Shop Manual says it is ok... Greg

Greg:

I have the factory manual as well. I also have first hand experience. I re-centered my wheel thinking the same thing BEFORE a front end job and alignment, and now my steering wheel is straight and my turn signal cancelling is off: works on left turns, but not on right, unless I bring it past center.

The steering column controls the turn signal function, and is essentially dependent on the steering box being on center, hence the notch and the pin setup for alignments. I suspect the alignment guys just centered the steering wheel, and did the wheel alignment.

Mark can center his steering wheel, but it may only be a cosmetic fix. His (and my) turning radii are off (left or right turns wider) and his signal function is probably off too.

Mark, can you tell?

Peter
1985 300TD

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1985 300TD 4-speed 212K
1992 400E 343K
2001 E320 72K

The function of the lock pin and it's geometry is to centralize the
pitman arms swing between left and right rotation.
If the pin is in the locked box position with the steering wheel not level, then the splines are off .[ which means the wheel has been removed at some time]
The steering wheel tilt can be a result of
not using the lock pin, but the main concern of using the pin lock is to have the pitman arm in the proper geometric position before making alignment adjustments.