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offalot 10-21-2013 07:10 PM

Anyone do tie rod ends lately?
 
This is really to satisfy my curiosity. Here's the story:
After some intense shaking on the way home the other day I git the car up and wiggled some stuff around and found my passenger outer tie rod end was bad. So i took it off and as luck would have it (or so I thought) I ordered 2 of them last year just in case. So I take one out to thread in and the threads are wrong. The one off the car was reverse thread, the one in the box was regular. Same went for the other one I had. I called the parts store, the guy confirmed the part number was indeed an outer end. So I figured they screwed up the box. I ordered another one making sure it was an outer passenger.Of course i had to wait a day to get it. So I just picked it up and guess what?! Same darn thing. It cannot be a coincidence that three boxes (last one was a totally different store/brand) were messed up. So then I thought. could it be, someone in the past had the whole rod off, both inner and outer ends looking the same, and put in in backwards?

Or I guess I could have summed that whole shpeal up in one question, is the outer tie rod end supposed to have reverse threads? But then I wouldn't have been able to vent.:o

Smoker 10-21-2013 07:17 PM

Hellifino....I just did this job with complete tie rod sets from Pelican. Lemforders with the tie rods already on the tube so no guessin! :)

sleepstar 10-21-2013 07:38 PM

well, not much help but i'm so confused about the right and left thread thing that when i do my tie rods i think i'm just going to order the whole complete thing instead of just the ends. ugh.

Phillytwotank 10-21-2013 08:05 PM

I'm thinking... You need to rotate the track rod 180 degrees. I'm not sure if there is any other difference in the ends except for the outer/inner and the threads.

cooljjay 10-21-2013 09:13 PM

Just order the whole assembly and be done, just don't get uro brand ones....

charmalu 10-21-2013 09:16 PM

I agree, 180 the Tie Rod.


Tie Rod
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...301803-M69.jpg

Left Tie Rod end,

Tie Rod End (Left Hand Thread, Front Left or Right, Only for cars with 14 mm shaft diameter) http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...385010-M69.jpg


Right Tie Rod end.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...385210-M69.jpg Tie Rod End (Right Hand Thread, Front Left or Right, Only for cars with 14 mm shaft diameter) Brand:






No difference between the ends except for the threads.


Charlie

alamostation 10-21-2013 11:52 PM

There is a previous post relating to this.

The long and short of it was that at the factory tie rods came to the assembly line with both tie rod ends installed. It was pot luck which end got installed on the outside.

Many cars have reversed tie rods, so you really can't order parts by "inside" or "outside" tie rod end. You have to order by right or left hand threads.

offalot 10-22-2013 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alamostation (Post 3227063)
There is a previous post relating to this.

The long and short of it was that at the factory tie rods came to the assembly line with both tie rod ends installed. It was pot luck which end got installed on the outside.

Many cars have reversed tie rods, so you really can't order parts by "inside" or "outside" tie rod end. You have to order by right or left hand threads.

Wow, seriously? That sounds like something you might find on a Yugo, not a Benz. Wish I would have known that info three days ago. Still without my car because of this. Hopefully tonight all will be well and I will remember to keep this in mind for the future.

Smoker 10-22-2013 10:36 AM

Honestly didn't mean to be a smart ass with the first response but I'd read stories like this while planning my own tie rod job, and since Pelican sells the lemforders as a complete assembly I went for that. Price wise it's not much more and you get a nice new clean connecting assembly, and it's lemforder so do it once and you're done for a very long time.

I went elsewhere for my lower BJs and got screwed....completely wrong parts showed up and I ended up with parts store (moog= chinese) lower BJs because that's all I could get on the weekend.

When these BJs die in 5k miles I'll be ordering from PP and stop trying to save a dime :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by offalot (Post 3227141)
Wow, seriously? That sounds like something you might find on a Yugo, not a Benz. Wish I would have known that info three days ago. Still without my car because of this. Hopefully tonight all will be well and I will remember to keep this in mind for the future.


Jerry_W 10-22-2013 10:56 PM

On my 123, the tie rod assembly CAN be installed either way, but they DO have an inner/outer end, one end has a locknut, one end has a pinch-bolt clamp. I did not check when I replaced mine, but they were installed the same way they came off, locknut end inboard (bought the assemblies, not individual ends).

whunter 10-22-2013 11:14 PM

Correct
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alamostation (Post 3227063)
There is a previous post relating to this.

The long and short of it was that at the factory tie rods came to the assembly line with both tie rod ends installed. It was pot luck which end got installed on the outside.

Many cars have reversed tie rods, so you really can't order parts by "inside" or "outside" tie rod end. You have to order by right or left hand threads.

This and corroded adjusting rod is why I replace assemblies.
The cost variation is minor, when I can be assured of an easy wheel alignment with good quality parts.

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bustedbenz 10-22-2013 11:38 PM

I tried to do tie rod ends on the 240D a couple months back and ended up having to do the whole assemblies by the end.

It was my fault. I was having a shop do it and ordered the parts for them "in advance" so I could drop them off with the car. Ordered Lemfoerder ends knowing them to be a good name.

Shop calls me and says it won't work because they have four rod ends all the same length in the parts boxes, but the tie rods under the car need a short one and a long one. Apparently it was some other brand of tie rod assembly that used a short end and a long end, and the Lemforder ones are (apparently) too short to fulfill the "long" requirement.

It was taking up room at their facility and I had to do something so I just ordered two assemblies and sent back the ends. I do not know what brand the old one was (they put it in their scrap pile and I didn't ask) but evidently you also have to know the correct shank length on those things in addition to knowing which threads you need.

Live and Learn.

toomany MBZ 10-23-2013 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whunter (Post 3227676)
This and corroded adjusting rod is why I replace assemblies.
The cost variation is minor, when I can be assured of an easy wheel alignment with good quality parts.

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Agreed.

vstech 10-23-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whunter (Post 3227676)
This and corroded adjusting rod is why I replace assemblies.
The cost variation is minor, when I can be assured of an easy wheel alignment with good quality parts.

.

ya know... we don't ALL live in the rust belt right?:D

whunter 10-23-2013 07:47 PM

Ugg
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vstech (Post 3227933)
ya know... we don't ALL live in the rust belt right?:D

True, but many do.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/body-repair-restoration/86054-who-has-most-rust-still-drives.html


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