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Old 07-19-2014, 05:23 PM
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617 tachometer question

The crank sensor has three wires - black read and yellow, the tach seems to be getting data from two wires read with black and green with black.
Can someone tell me what happens in between.
I'm transplanting the engine into a 67 Land Rover and wold like to take the tach with me.

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I'll be curious to hear the answer to this. Last I heard is that there's some sort of German Voodoo associated with transferring these tachs. That's one of the reasons I went with the photo tach. I think the M-B tach uses a mag pickup and needs some sort of a signal conditioning circuit but I'm not sure about that.

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Old 07-19-2014, 09:41 PM
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I'll be curious to hear the answer to this. Last I heard is that there's some sort of German Voodoo associated with transferring these tachs. That's one of the reasons I went with the photo tach. I think the M-B tach uses a mag pickup and needs some sort of a signal conditioning circuit but I'm not sure about that.

Dan

From what i got so far the 3 wires go to the VDO amplifier, And the amplifier i got with the donor is faulty as far as i can tell because the tach worked on and off when the car ran. A replacement would be around $50 which can get me a whole unit that mounts to the alternator..

I looked at the one you have and it is nice but i'm keeping all the stock(Land Rover) gauges and a digital one would look odd between them.
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Old 07-19-2014, 11:30 PM
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Pick up--> tach amp--> tach

Here is a guide I wrote on how to wire it up, I transplanted one into my 380SE that I converted to diesel

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/319522-guide-how-get-tach-working-w126-gas-diesel-conversion.html
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Oh, and you can pull the tach amp apart to fix it. They often get bad solder joints on them. The only Pain in the ass part is the circuit board is coated with a layer of silicone. You cave to very carefully scrape it all off before you can re flow the solder joints.
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:12 AM
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Man, this is gold

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Path is:

Pick up--> tach amp--> tach

Here is a guide I wrote on how to wire it up, I transplanted one into my 380SE that I converted to diesel

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/319522-guide-how-get-tach-working-w126-gas-diesel-conversion.html





with the guide all i need is to paint the needles white, find some trim and i'll have a nice looking tach with a clock
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In my 84 & 85, the tach pickup is on the transmission bell-housing and goes thru the emissions computer. Earlier cars used the front engine damper pickup, with a little amplifier that clips onto the "diagnostic port" (tach was an option?). I have that front pickup on my cars, but it just goes to the diagnostic connector (for dealer instrument?). This is all from memory, so might be a bit corrupted.
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Old 07-20-2014, 11:28 AM
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In my 84 & 85, the tach pickup is on the transmission bell-housing and goes thru the emissions computer. Earlier cars used the front engine damper pickup, with a little amplifier that clips onto the "diagnostic port" (tach was an option?). I have that front pickup on my cars, but it just goes to the diagnostic connector (for dealer instrument?). This is all from memory, so might be a bit corrupted.
Mine's 83 and the sensor gets triggered by a lil rod on the balancing disk. I wonder if it has anything with determining TDC.
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Old 07-20-2014, 11:59 AM
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Mine's 83 and the sensor gets triggered by a lil rod on the balancing disk. I wonder if it has anything with determining TDC.
It is called a TDC sensor because it picks up the rod that is at the TDC position, and is used for the tach only, not for timing. The nomenclature is confusing the way Mercedes uses it.

The YL and BK wire carries the signal from the sensor to the tach amp, the third wire is the shield. You should get 81 ohms across the YL BK wires.

If the tach worked intermittently, it could be corroded contacts at the tach amp or most likely the tach amp itself is intermittent. You are transplanting the tach module from the Mercedes cluster over to the Rover? There's little chance of success otherwise.
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:21 PM
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You should get 81 ohms across the YL BK wires.
I'm getting 74 ohms, is it close enough?
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I'm getting 74 ohms, is it close enough?
Close enough- good to go. Difference is probably in the tolerances and ohmmeters used.

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