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funola 09-16-2014 04:36 PM

Buying/selling vs giving away R12 freon
 
The Refrigerant Sales Restriction | Ozone Layer Protection - Regulatory Programs | US EPA talks about restrictions on buying and selling refrigerants. No mention of giving it away. Hypothetically, is it legal to give someone (who is not 609 certified) say a 30 lb tank of R12?

sleepstar 09-16-2014 05:01 PM

highly, highly doubtful. otherwise people could just sell pencils to each other for $30 a piece and then give a can of R12 as a "free gift"

mach4 09-16-2014 05:15 PM

Of course...as long as you're not a business.

uberwasser 09-16-2014 05:18 PM

Yeah, that covers sale and purchase. Nothing about transfer of ownership aka gifting. The only way I could see it being illegal to gift it to someone without a 609 cert would be if R12 was illegal to possess without a 609 cert. It's not explicitly illegal to possess it without, so it should be OK.

mach4 09-16-2014 05:33 PM

If it were illegal to give to someone without a cert, you would be in trouble every time you sold a car with a charge of R-12. Which brings things back to the old "container" absurdity of refrigerants. It's illegal to vent R-134 to the atmosphere from a "container" comprised of an auto A/C system but if you buy it in a can packaged in a container labeled as a keyboard duster, it's completely legal.

You're overthinking the situation...just don't have any paperwork.

greazzer 09-16-2014 06:22 PM

For $25 bucks and around 2 hours, you can get your license, so it's really not worth the risk IMO. Why risk it?

I know this does not answer your question.

funola 09-16-2014 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greazzer (Post 3386543)
For $25 bucks and around 2 hours, you can get your license, so it's really not worth the risk IMO. Why risk it?

I know this does not answer your question.

Seems to me it's a ploy to just get your money. :(:mad::rolleyes::P;):D

funola 09-16-2014 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uberwasser (Post 3386520)
Yeah, that covers sale and purchase. Nothing about transfer of ownership aka gifting. The only way I could see it being illegal to gift it to someone without a 609 cert would be if R12 was illegal to possess without a 609 cert. It's not explicitly illegal to possess it without, so it should be OK.

Nor does it cover bartering R12 for something other than cash?

cooljjay 09-17-2014 01:12 AM

Its my birthday, can I get it as a gift? :D

Mölyapina 09-17-2014 07:46 AM

If you're giving it away, I'll take it. Just sayin'.

leathermang 09-17-2014 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funola (Post 3386549)
Seems to me it's a ploy to just get your money. :(:mad::rolleyes::P;):D

To conspiracy theorists.... yes....
but regular people understand the test is just a way to make sure that at least at one point in time... that person knew what the rules were...

funola 09-17-2014 11:16 AM

Sorry, I have none to give away. Hopefully I'll be on the receiving end.


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