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Old 07-28-2015, 08:18 PM
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Replacing muffler(s) on my '83 300CD-T

The sheet metal of the rear muffler on my '83 300CD Turbo has rusted away over the years and I "wheeze" a lot when driving down the road.

For the rear muffler, a replacement looks to run about $219 for the genuine M-B article.

The center muffler appears to be ok, no rust or breaks in the sheet metal that I can see. Should I replace the center muffler on principle since I'll be in there replacing the rear muffler plus the four hangers, three doughnuts/rubber buffers? For a M-B middle muffler, the cost is, gulp, a mere $464! Probably better off with a replacement from the junk yard if I was to replace it, no?

For the most part, I keep the car stock. Having said that, is it best to use the M-B muffler in the rear or go for a Ebersbacher or Bosal or...?

Thoughts?

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Old 07-28-2015, 08:47 PM
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When buying new parts I have always gone with ansa and had excellent results....about half oe parts last time I did it. "Also I often leave off one of the muffs, either center or rear, either way, gives a little growl and maybe a half mile per gallon more economy.
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Old 07-28-2015, 09:43 PM
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Ebersbacher and Ansa are fine. Walker is slightly less well made.

The fact is that the mufflers on the diesels last a lot longer than on gasoline models. I would not worry about getting OE parts for exhaust work.

I would not worry overly much about doing the rear section if it looks good now, as (assuming the CD is the same as the sedan), it is just a slip-fit with a clamp onto the rear piece. Not like you have to undo welding or such.

One note: if you do decide to do the middle section, and you are DIY-ing, the aftermarket versions seem to have slightly thicker flanges - at least mine (Ebersbacher) did. It was a two person job to get the flanges tight enough to start the bolts, even with the car on a hoist.

I have since gone to the hardware store and bought the longest M8 lag bolts I could find... haven't yet seen if they're actually longer than the OE spec ones that I got from the dealer.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:49 AM
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Thanks for all of the information!
I had wondered about the quality of Ansa.

Appreciate the help
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Old 07-29-2015, 11:58 AM
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If you are concerned with longevity, go with :
Timevalve Manufacturing - Stainless Steel Exhaust Systems and Catalytic Converters for Mercedes Benz, Vintage Ferrari, and other Classic Cars

They make Stainless Steel exhaust systems.

I think when I replaced the exhaust on the 85 300D several years ago, I used Ansa.
Was a straight bolt on w/o any problems. I replaced everything from Down pipe back.

As mentioned, with a Diesel engine it will last a long time compared to a gasser.
The Mufflers for the Diesels are a straight through design, so no baffles to create back pressure.
If I were to eliminate one, it would be the center Muffler.

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Old 07-29-2015, 12:49 PM
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Thanks Charlie.
I didn't know about the Timevalve site. I took a look...interesting. Stock will work for me. If the car lasts another 30+ years and I still have it, I'll be entitled to an award and/or free admittance to a place for people with serious problems!

As you did, I plan to replace everything from the down pipe back. I think that Ansa is the likely candidate. About $300 for both mufflers including tax and shipping. Not bad.
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Old 07-29-2015, 05:55 PM
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Have you gotten a price on the center resonator/muffler yet? Looked up prices for a 300CD non-turbo and the price was outrageous, like $800.
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Have you gotten a price on the center resonator/muffler yet? Looked up prices for a 300CD non-turbo and the price was outrageous, like $800.
I have. My car is the CD turbo and the best price I could get for the genuine M-B article was $464. Ansa is $144.
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:27 PM
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I straight piped the SD back to an ANSA unit, this reduced weight, of course.

Been more years than I can remember, doing fine.
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Old 07-30-2015, 04:21 PM
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I have always replaced any bum muffler with a new Ebersbacher or a very good used one...which are now increasingly difficult to locate.

Ansa have been used on a few of my vehicles by the previous owners and just do not seem to last nearly as long as OEM. Bosal and Walker are comical at best... just look at the compression bends and poor welds.
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I have always replaced any bum muffler with a new Ebersbacher or a very good used one...which are now increasingly difficult to locate.

Ansa have been used on a few of my vehicles by the previous owners and just do not seem to last nearly as long as OEM. Bosal and Walker are comical at best... just look at the compression bends and poor welds.
Hey Hit Man X & or other members...

Question 1) I've been looking for an Ebersbacher rear muffler for my '86 SDL. Any idea where to find them other than the dealer?

Question 2) Are the Ansa rear mufflers as quiet as an Ebersbacher.

I'm aware of the "straight through" muffler design & the "turbo" effects on reducing noise...I just want the old girl to run as quiet as possible.

If the noise output is similar between the two manufacturers I may just go with an Ansa....but if there is a noticeable difference I'll spring for the Ebersbacher if I can find one. I believe the Dealer has them but I'd love to source the Ebersbacher elsewhere if available.

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Old 07-30-2015, 09:47 PM
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I am sure some other retailers carry them. Best price I could find on the Ebersbacher is $220 as I need one for my SDL... starting to look ratty. Best price on the Ansa was $170. No point in saving $50 for an inferior product. It will last far longer and help resale in the future if you have to turn it.

Hmmm, I would venture to say they are similar in tone.

Pretty sure the SD and SDL use the same muffler from my past research. Just the SDL uses a different center muffler.
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Perhaps I have not looked hard enough: I had zero success finding an Ebersbacher retailer in the USA, much less finding Ebersbacher mufflers (center and rear) for my '83 300CD-T. As I wrote above, I found the genuine M-B articles are available from the M-B Classic Center at some very significant cost compared to Ansa. Specifically, for one center and one rear muffler:
M-B..........Ansa
$743*......$288
*Exclusive of tax and shipping

If someone has a link to acquiring Ebersbacher mufflers in the USA, I would welcome receiving it.

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Old 07-30-2015, 10:25 PM
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$180-220 is what I usually pay for the Ebersbacher rear mufflers on the W126. Sounds similar for the W123.

If the center is fine on your coupe, I say leave it. Just clamp the new rear unit on. I would be curious how Timevalve compares to cost and fitment to Ebersbacher.
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:09 AM
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If someone has a link to acquiring Ebersbacher mufflers in the USA, I would welcome receiving it.
Here's an Eberspaecher rear muffler:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G5VNGI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=everybenz-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001G5VNGI

Seems like the CD takes a different center pipe + resonator than the sedan? No joy yet for that, unless you can adapt the sedan version in which case Amazon has that as well.

Concerning the OE stuff:

Quote:
M-B..........Ansa
$743*......$288
*Exclusive of tax and shipping
Have you checked Mercedes-Benz Parts and Accessories Online from Mercedes-Benz of South Atlanta ?

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