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Old 10-27-2015, 07:10 PM
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Manual shift linkage. Coupe and sedan, are they the same length?

I'm believe doing the manual conversion this winter if all goes well. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that the drive shaft will be different but I want to believe the shift linkage will be the same length on both cars, assuming I get it from a euro car (300D to 300CD). Does anyone know for sure on this?

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Old 10-28-2015, 03:48 PM
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No contestants? Does anyone know what the driveshaft length will need to be if I go with the manual?
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Old 10-28-2015, 11:26 PM
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I wasnt aware that the coupe diesels ever came with a manual trans?
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Old 10-28-2015, 11:49 PM
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I wasnt aware that the coupe diesels ever came with a manual trans?
I think he's going from a Euro 300D to a US 300CD.
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Old 10-28-2015, 11:55 PM
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Yes it should be the same.
But finding one is difficult.
If you find a Euro 300D, then the whole set up, FW on back to the rear Disk will be the same.

You other option is finding a Manual set up from a 240D


The DL length issue is on the front piece. Use a 240D front section and be sure to measure first. then measure again.

It is usually about 4 inches that is cut off and re-welded back together.
Have a DL shop do it and they will balance it.

The shift rods will have to be cut, re-threaded and bent slightly to fit.
Look at the bottom of your manual shifter assy. each of the flat levers will
have a hole, and on each side is a "V" piece of plastic.
Place a drill bit, nail etc...through the holes. This will keep the shifter assy. in the neutral position.

Remove the screw on ends off the rods.
Attach ea shift rod to the transmission.
Attach ea screw on end to the shifter assy. end
Hold the shift rod horizontally, lay the screw on end on top of the rod.
Mark the rod where it lines up with the center hole.
Cut off the rod and thread it.

This will give you the proper length.
Some guys cut the rods and then weld them back together.

The most plentiful FW would be from a 240D. have it matched balanced to the FW you removed.
Be sure to mark the FW position to the Crank with a chisel if you can not find any witness marks..

Purchase 12 new manual FW Bolts. They are stretch to yield.
You may be able to re use them, measure the neck size. spects are in the FSM.

When you remove the shift rods from the donor car, be sure to mark where they attach to the transmission.
Makes it easier when putting it back together.

If you go the 240D route, there is two different transmissions.
The older style with the separate bell housing and Iron Box case.
The newer style with the all one piece aluminum case.
The shift rods are specific to each box.


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Old 10-28-2015, 11:57 PM
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Jooseppi, you are correct. That's the exact plan. I know a lot of people do the sedan manual conversion but not a lot of coupes get the "upgrade" so I'm having trouble finding information.
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Yes it should be the same.
But finding one is difficult.
If you find a Euro 300D, then the whole set up, FW on back to the rear Disk will be the same.

I think the driveshaft MAY require more than the standard 4 inch cut since the wheelbase is shorter. 4 inches is the amount cut to make a sedan a manual, right? That's what I was thinking anyway but since I don't know I thought I would ask the folks on here since you know far more than I do. This is my first 123.

You other option is finding a Manual set up from a 240D

I actually found one but I want the 300 flywheel so I have a line on a Euro with the correct 38# flywheel. I can get a 4 speed out a 240 for free but it has no shifter. I think I'll get it for a spare though since it's free.


The DL length issue is on the front piece. Use a 240D front section and be sure to measure first. then measure again.

It is usually about 4 inches that is cut off and re-welded back together.
Have a DL shop do it and they will balance it.

The shift rods will have to be cut, re-threaded and bent slightly to fit.
Look at the bottom of your manual shifter assy. each of the flat levers will
have a hole, and on each side is a "V" piece of plastic.
Place a drill bit, nail etc...through the holes. This will keep the shifter assy. in the neutral position.

Damn, I was really hoping this would be the same between the coupe and sedan. I knew the driveshaft might have to be cut but I was hoping to get away with the linkage without changing it.

Remove the screw on ends off the rods.
Attach ea shift rod to the transmission.
Attach ea screw on end to the shifter assy. end
Hold the shift rod horizontally, lay the screw on end on top of the rod.
Mark the rod where it lines up with the center hole.
Cut off the rod and thread it.

This will give you the proper length.
Some guys cut the rods and then weld them back together.

The most plentiful FW would be from a 240D. have it matched balanced to the FW you removed.
Be sure to mark the FW position to the Crank with a chisel if you can not find any witness marks..

I have this all lined up to be re balanced. Some guys say you don't have to but I only want to do it once and to do it right, or as correct as it can be.

Purchase 12 new manual FW Bolts. They are stretch to yield.
You may be able to re use them, measure the neck size. spects are in the FSM.

I have heard that they can sometimes be re used but I figured I would just get new ones to be safe.


When you remove the shift rods from the donor car, be sure to mark where they attach to the transmission.
Makes it easier when putting it back together.

If you go the 240D route, there is two different transmissions.
The older style with the separate bell housing and Iron Box case.
The newer style with the all one piece aluminum case.
The shift rods are specific to each box.

As I am getting one of these for a spare, which box was the better of the two??


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Old 10-29-2015, 12:59 AM
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Herya go a 300CD manual trans swap.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/206755-240d-4-speed-manual-swap-300cd.html


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1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 10-29-2015, 01:12 AM
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I'm hoping to use the 300 euro for the change. Since it's coming from a 5 cylinder to a coupe 5 cylinder, I'm hoping the shifter linkage will be the same. The 240 linkage would certainly need to be shortened but I'm not sure about the sedan and couple length. I'm hoping the wheelbase is different because they took the few inches out of the middle, behind the shifter so I won't have to shorten it.

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