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Stated value is what the car owner claims the car is worth / insurance won't be required to pay over that. The ins then values the car at time of loss.
I've been on lots of older car forums and many have been caught up in a similar situation with stated value. I just self insure for comp and pay for liability to avoid the whole mess. |
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I went through a similar experience to all this in college, except the deer had totaled a 13 year old Honda Civic. Insurance company low-balled me, even while claiming they would "never do that". For comparisons, I needed to provide the prices of vehicles which sold within the state in the last year. They ignored asking prices, and only base their payment on actual prices in successful sales. They also ignored cars of similar year. The only data they would use was the exact same year and model of vehicle. I don't remember if they adjusted for mileage, but miles don't mean much to insurance companies on an old car. They threw out the lowest comp and highest comp, and then gave me the average of the remaining few vehicles (including my data and their own). Initially, they had offered $1600 and through my efforts, ended up getting $3300. It felt like a huge victory at the time. This was around year 2000 and in CA, so I have no idea if your insurance company will have similar requirements. Good luck.
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I did not think an asking price meant much. Anyone can ask anything for a car. Additionally how do you know what people paid for a car? Its easy to find cars listed on websites for X dollars but the already sold ones?
The comparisons they listed in the report were largely found on Autotrader. Asking prices, as some were still active. They had 5 cars listed there, three were lower-cost 300E's and two 300D's that were at the upper end of the value list. I looked myself on Autotrader and found 6 examples. I found the ones mentioned in the compare report as well as four others that were higher priced. Had they been included and not the 300E's I believe the car value would be higher.
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Alright all. I am in the process of writing up an email, arguing that the car's value is much higher than $1900. I also learned that my 300D 2.5 is pretty rare. 523 units were produced between 89 and 91.
I've also updated my records spreadsheet and book (receipts,etc) and plan on sending a scan of that in a later email. I have to individually scan each page. I put everything in protective plastic things and my scanner's document feeder jams up with them. Here's what I've got so far. Let me know what you think: Quote:
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Good start on the presentation, as you mentioned, documentation to follow.
I would eliminate any aspect of reducing the repair. Why would the owner of a very limited production item want to repair it using old parts ???
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Low production numbers don't always = high value, there must be a legitimate following for values to be high. RE: If you took it to a big time auction, would the price would skyrocket? While this makes valuation more difficult, selecting another diesel with the same body would be helpful. As an example of numbers / value, I have a 1956 1/2 Plymouth Belvedere 4 door _hard top_ ( no window frames around the doors ) that my Mom bought new. It is a V8 , automatic, " glamor trim " , power steering. It is also painted special order Desoto pink / white. Belvedere makes it top of the line, the Hardtop makes it rare since it was only built for sub 6 months, power steering even more rare as only 2% had PS and Desoto pink likely makes it the only Plymouth ever to be that color. To a person that collects 1956 Plymouths, it would be the holy grail, in the general 50's car market it is interesting but certainly not worth millions. Quote:
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I was told to mention them. I can't see how listing them out would hurt but you are probably right. Quote:
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How would I go about finding that type of information? All the cars that he listed on the report were direct from autotrader's listing. None of them were sold yet. Quote:
However I think that if can demonstrate: a) the car has a higher value than $1900 b) the car can be repaired for less than $5500 (ideally less than the "updated" car value) That I have a higher chance of getting insurance to take care of things. I have no intentions of letting them have the car or buying it off them. I don't quite understand what entitles them to the salvage value of the car considering I own it outright. If it comes to that the claim will be withdrawn and I'll work with a body shop.
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You might not be able to cancel the claim without the title being branded as a total loss, some states require the ins co to FWD VIN numbers of cars that suffered total losses. To recover from a total loss salvage title, you generally must provide receipts for all parts and get the car inspected to assure repairs are proper. The total loss based on cost not actual severity thing gets messy as I've seen an older car get "totaled" by a run away shopping cart. Really. Circa 1993 on a customers 1980 full sized Pontiac that lacked AC , was painted a odd light green with dark green interior. The cart put a pretty big dent in the quarter panel that still would have passed state safety inspection. Had this been a 5 year old car there would have been no question that the car would have been fixed. |
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In Cali, when I had my 78 salvaged and I bought it back...well they just let me keep it....
The only inspection that was required was a brake and light safety inspection. The issue was there could be no age cracks and any of the lenses. Man it was a PITA to find a w123 with out age cracked tail lights...I finally borrowed a friends tail light and then returned it after I passed. But get this, they found the rotors worn past recommended specs....and if I wanted to do the repair myself, I would have have to repay for the test/certificate and everything....kinda got you coming and going... I just took the money, was four figures....It paid me back for the cost of the car, all repairs and test/inspection. All I had was a dented fender and bent door ding strip...Pulled the fender out, 12$ ding strip from pnp and all was good... Moved here, got a new title and no more "salvage" on the title Insurance companies think they are up there with god, they have the higher advantage and almost any fight will be ending in taking them to small claims court...
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Alright a bit of an update:
The re-valued the car at $3,035 instead of $1950. We then said well by, if the repair estimate is lower than that number you have to pay for it to be fixed. They didn't quite like that at first. I had the body shop redo the quote with me sourcing some of the parts. The quote is sitting at $2400 roughly. We sent that to them and they came up with this "deal" : The will pay a maximum of $2601.57 for repairs. The body shop and I have to sign a document saying that the insurance company is not responsible for anything above that amount. They will only let me carry liability insurance on the car. Part of the repair quote includes my sourcing of a few parts: -Fender $285 (I have already ordered a new fender from Mercedes-Benz) -Upper Radiator Support $100 -Turn Signal (Ordered) $65 -Headlight (On shelf) $197 What do you guys think of this "deal"?
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