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W123 european headlight question
I have a left front hella european headlight which is the newer style that is square just like the bosch. I can't seem to find replacement lens in the new style for the hella. The old style for the hella has the round insert. Do you know if a bosch glass headlight lens will be a perfect fit? Will a depo lens be a perfect fit as well? Looking for advice so I know what type of lens to get. Mercedes part number is: 123-826-07-90
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I doubt anything would be a perfect fit... aside from the correct replacement.
And it isn't old or new style euro lights, it's deluxe or standard... standard uses the round inserts... both were available at the same time.
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I compared a Depo light Bosch unit I have in my shed and I did not see any differences in the lens. The Depo lenses (at least mine, which were purchased about 6 years ago) are of excellent quality. Whether that translates to interchange with the Hella, I don't know.
For a Hella lens, you could try surfing ebay.de and/or ebay.co.uk. The shipping won't be cheap and many German vendors don't sell internationally (though you can always ask... some will sell overseas if you inquire). I use Google Translate for my requests but often get a reply back in perfect English.
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B.T.W., she is an odd ball, as got all the base features, but then has an automatic transmission, leather upholstery, plus couple other nice accessories, though the best is missing (the actual double roller blind). Thank you so very much in advance!
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Also, the Depo I bought a couple years ago didn't look as crisp and clean as the Bosch, even flash around the edge. Personally, if known the reflectors are not fully adjustable, silvering shoddy, and all the plastic is soft as wax, would not have bought. Night driving was either high beaming people or not able to see the road. Now if get another Mercedes, going original. What really love to find is an adjustable set. Have purchased two sets of evilBay and all broken (the worse was the vacuum adjustable). At the time didn't know evilBay/Paypal protection was a joke and instead should have filed with my card. Oh, and the issue is the inside of the lamp gets shaken so hard the insides shatter. Actually, now think of it, might have a Hella glass. Which side is broken K? In short, don't go with Depo and use a credit card for evilBay. Hope this helps.
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The lamps with the round features were on lower-end models (200, 230). This according to the w123 history documentary video on YouTube, which I assume was produced by Daimler Benz.
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All W123s post 1982 had the "square" type lights, outside of NA. Before that it was only 280 spec models. I can get part numbers for OP but being a RHD country I bet my parts will be different numbers...
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- Peter.
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Interesting how a base 280 just means in that range, not the model range. At least the rectangular are easier to find, but forget shipping. Found a pair an hour away, but he flaked and have not heard back. Probably just put the crappy Depo lights on for now or purchase 7" conversions which could then put on the Squareback when done using on the W123. Will look for that video I apparently missed. I wish we could get the W123 history/model information book here, but the forum member that was going to bring a quantity to the State seems to have passed away?
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Ah, interesting....I was going by my book (that I've lost to quote exactly). FWIW my '84 240TD had the square lights.
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However I have been away from the forum for a while myself...
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In my experience, for the rectangle Euro w123 Headlights, Hella, Bosch and Depot glass lenses interchange.
Hella and Bosch housings, reflectors and vacuum actuators do not interchange. But Depot reflectors and housings (even though thinner plastic) do interchange with Bosch.
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European Headlights
Why not just buy them new from The M-B Classic Center ? .
I did recently and am well pleased . Not cheap but worth the $ I had to budget .
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Nate, how much if you don't mind me asking? Right now, no funds. Hopefully in a couple weeks get a little tuition back from the medical withdrawal. Really like to get the vacuum adjustable as do haul a lot and has the cargo retention rings. I even have the switch, but might be for the sedan. Know if the vacuum line is still available?
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A few years ago I purchased a pair of new Bosch lenses for $50/ea or $100 for both. Later on I lucked out on a NOS pair for about the same price. Kept that in storage. I purchased them from another European car online parts store. The "new" lenses only had "BOSCH" on one of them, the other didn't have it. The "original" lenses had "BOSCH" on both. Both the orig and new lenses had the Bosch p/n though.
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