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Old 06-05-2017, 08:32 AM
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yes these cars have original paint in excellent condition and there is documentation as to all maintenance and a mileage trail. VIN tags are in their original location. PM me your email and I will let you know IF I decide to sell. Are you a dealer?

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Old 06-05-2017, 09:53 AM
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I'm somewhat interested in the CDI Joel.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:01 AM
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yes these cars have original paint in excellent condition and there is documentation as to all maintenance and a mileage trail. VIN tags are in their original location. PM me your email and I will let you know IF I decide to sell. Are you a dealer?
You are welcome to read my profile.
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:42 AM
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No, the T in the 300TD stands for "touring" which for some strange reason to some oddball German marketing guy meant wagon or as the Brits call them estate cars. Hence all the non-turbo gas engine wagons were called XXXTE.

The letter T never indicated Turbo. Otherwise, all the SD would have been STD, and SDL would have been STDL...and 300D sedans would have been 300TD...etc.
Yes and no. All w123 wagons are "TD or TE" regardless what engine is installed. There are 230TE 280TE 240TD and 300TD (as well as a few others ...). So he is correct in saying a wagon with a 617-95X is called a 300TD which you seemed to want to correct him on. If it had a 617-912 it's still called a 300TD. The year will determine if it has a 95x or a 912. The 1981 model year can have either so for clarity it would be good to indicate 95x or 912- even though it has little bearing on value.
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No. You missed my point. A lot of folks post the wrong designation on a turbo diesel sedan and we think it is a station wagon; when we look closer, it is often a sedan. So if someone posts 300TD, we know what it is. If someone posts 300DTD, who knows?

I thought all 300TD's were turbo?
'79/'80/'81 could all be non turbo in the states. In other markets the non turbo could be any year.
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:48 AM
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a bit snarky on his part Tom- very little is "above your paygrade" with regard to the models in question you are speaking of. The question "are you a dealer?" is attempting to manipulate the market. Money is green; it doesn't matter if it's from a dealer, a homeless person or a billionaire.
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Jim will let you know 1st if I sell .....cdi is probably not going to be sold.
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Old 06-05-2017, 02:03 PM
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Yes and no. All w123 wagons are "TD or TE" regardless what engine is installed. There are 230TE 280TE 240TD and 300TD (as well as a few others ...). So he is correct in saying a wagon with a 617-95X is called a 300TD which you seemed to want to correct him on. If it had a 617-912 it's still called a 300TD. The year will determine if it has a 95x or a 912. The 1981 model year can have either so for clarity it would be good to indicate 95x or 912- even though it has little bearing on value.

'79/'80/'81 could all be non turbo in the states. In other markets the non turbo could be any year.
My correction was that the "T" has nothing to do with Turbo or non-Turbo. That was all.
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Old 06-05-2017, 02:06 PM
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walgamuth--don't care about your profile just your comments. I am sure you're qualified as you have been a technical help to me before which I appreciate.....your present comments were not appreciated though and if that is snarky MTUpower so be it. Also I agree money is money I asked about a person being a dealer as a reference point to me for who I might be dealing with. The cars will stand on their own with condition,mileage,doc...I am not sure how one manipulates the market by asking who they are dealing with???? I have stated my case if I was wrong then I apologize to any who were offended. The help and opinions came forth as i suspected they would .......this thread is dead as far as I am concerned as to the original question .
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Old 06-05-2017, 04:23 PM
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I usually don't open threads indicating someone might be thinking of selling.
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Car collectors, from what I've seen, tend to be quirky and perhaps eccentric especially when wanting to entertain the thought of selling some treasures. Potential buyers need to play along or move along.
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97sl320 I couldn't agree more with your comments. I would use the word picky maybe instead of quirky but the results are the same. I am eccentric and very persnicity with my cars. I have been collecting,searching,learning about them,and working on them for over 50yrs. . I have really enjoyed the MBs,the corvettes, and the old Chevys and made a lot of friends along the way. The realization that I am approaching a time when the herd must be thinned is a real PITA and stressful but I am trying to remember to keep it all in perspective. I have been blessed and they are only cars(not the most important thing in my life) I will deal with it soon.
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Old 06-06-2017, 01:21 PM
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Would like to see pics.
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97sl320 I would use the word picky maybe instead of quirky but the results are the same.

I'll accept that.

Now for a true story.

A friends brother in law wanted an old Jeep, however he is a computer IT guy and knows nothing about mechanical things. Conveniently my friend is a car guy and can keep things straight.

Computer guy finds ( and eventually buys ) a Korea war / MASH era ( 1950 - 55 ) jeep that a guy has owned since it was ~ 5 years old. It was originally purchased by a railroad as a service truck. The passenger seat was removed and a welding generator installed using a PTO to the transfer case. ( The gen was not installed when I looked at it but I think it came with the truck ) Yes, it sounds like the Jeep in the opening credits of MASH.

The truck was not in museum condition as it was a working truck, however it showed care over the years and a patina that you just can't get back. Yes the tail lights added in period were not original and some paint was applied with a brush, but the truck was far far away from being a let go junker. I would not call it a "Rat Rod" as that term is overused and the fake patina style mostly nauseating.

The owner grilled my friend and prospective buyer, over a _couple_ of visits. He didn't want someone to buy it and do something stupid like add a lift kit, wheels and 350 Chevy. He wanted someone that would appreciate the time and care he spent over the years keeping it in operating condition. The computer guy was a great fit since car friend also has appreciation for old things that have survived.

To the seller, this Jeep is a stationary piece of time to cherish, something familiar that doesn't change much as the years pile on even though he is aging. Kind of like again watching a movie you first saw 30 years ago.

It isn't so much having an attachment to the actual pile of steel, rubber and other bits, it is an attachment to the feelings / point time it represents.
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:55 AM
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there are more than a few threads about "picky" sellers who don't know what they have, act as if they are informed, ask for opinions and then are offended with some of the opinions and then try to say things which are laughable- in the FS forum. If they can't stand the heat then they'll get out of the kitchen to which they invited themselves into.
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:57 AM
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I'll accept that.

Now for a true story.

A friends brother in law wanted an old Jeep, however he is a computer IT guy and knows nothing about mechanical things. Conveniently my friend is a car guy and can keep things straight.

Computer guy finds ( and eventually buys ) a Korea war / MASH era ( 1950 - 55 ) jeep that a guy has owned since it was ~ 5 years old. It was originally purchased by a railroad as a service truck. The passenger seat was removed and a welding generator installed using a PTO to the transfer case. ( The gen was not installed when I looked at it but I think it came with the truck ) Yes, it sounds like the Jeep in the opening credits of MASH.

The truck was not in museum condition as it was a working truck, however it showed care over the years and a patina that you just can't get back. Yes the tail lights added in period were not original and some paint was applied with a brush, but the truck was far far away from being a let go junker. I would not call it a "Rat Rod" as that term is overused and the fake patina style mostly nauseating.

The owner grilled my friend and prospective buyer, over a _couple_ of visits. He didn't want someone to buy it and do something stupid like add a lift kit, wheels and 350 Chevy. He wanted someone that would appreciate the time and care he spent over the years keeping it in operating condition. The computer guy was a great fit since car friend also has appreciation for old things that have survived.

To the seller, this Jeep is a stationary piece of time to cherish, something familiar that doesn't change much as the years pile on even though he is aging. Kind of like again watching a movie you first saw 30 years ago.

It isn't so much having an attachment to the actual pile of steel, rubber and other bits, it is an attachment to the feelings / point time it represents.
you've just described the initial stages of a hoarder. google it or watch the tv show.

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