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Old 06-03-2017, 07:44 PM
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2 cycle oil diesel additive?

I was at the local Napa store the other day to purchase an oil filter for my 1999 e300 and the sales person suggested that I should be adding a quart of two cycle engine oil to my fuel tank every time I fill up as an injection pump lubricant because the low sulfur diesel no longer provides enough lubrication!
I'm wondering if any of you guys here add oil to your diesel , or if it is really necessary?

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Old 06-03-2017, 07:55 PM
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I do especially for the 24V Cummins after reading all of the scuttlebutt there. Have also seen pics of injectors run with 2-stroke and they looked normal. It may not be critical for these IP but it won't hurt.

One oz per gallon of fuel is one touted strategy but we do not have test labs and can't really know for sure. Wally world has the cheapest. I scrounged ~ 15 quart oil bottles from Autozoo and transfer a gallon to the empty bottles. They are stored in the trunk & truck box.

I'll pick up 2-3 gallons at a time because I don't like to shop at Walmart. This is enough to last a while.
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I use Opti-lube summer formula. Yes, it is a good idea to use something to help lube the injectors.

FWIW my oil analysis tech, who for the most part takes an "anti-additive" approach to things, says this is the one area where it really makes sense to add some lubrication.
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Old 06-03-2017, 08:06 PM
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2-cycle oil for me as well. If there's anyone who argues against extra fuel system lubrication on a diesel then run the other way.

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I'm just happy that no one is touting ATF. . ( That in no way was designed to be burnt in an engine . )

We have an 04 Sterling truck 30,000 GVW with a OM906 that has 400,000+ miles running on standard on road fuel. Other than filters and pump to injector lines due to cracking, the fuel system is untouched and it runs just fine.
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Old 06-03-2017, 09:12 PM
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Opti lube XPD is what im going to use.

The Cummins guys found that it quieted down their engines, but they didn't really care for that attribute.
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Another option is biodiesel. 5% will add plenty of lubricity, and a gallon of biodiesel will cost less than a quart of two stroke oil. If Wisconsin has a biodiesel mandate, you're probably in the clear. Oregon has 5% mandate and I don't worry about it at all.
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MARINE rated SYNTHETIC 2 cycle Oil

8 Oz. in a 13 gallon tank.

Also Redline Diesel Fuel Catalyst
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absolutely true.. low sulfur fuel is horrible for these cars. two stroke oil won't hurt anything btw. i woulddn't be worried and i'd run it through my om606s.
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Fill the fuel filter when changing, with ATF.

Add ATF (a few oz.) every few fuel fillups.

ATF has 'super' high content of detergent, this is what works, , ,
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Fill the fuel filter when changing, with ATF.

Add ATF (a few oz.) every few fuel fillups.

ATF has 'super' high content of detergent, this is what works, , ,
ATF isn't designed to be burnt and will have a high ash content leading to carbonized combustion chambers / injector nozzles. Granted, the amount you are using isn't like the " I'll burn anything " crowd.

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Old 06-04-2017, 03:32 PM
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MB and Bosch recommend.....

My friend who has worked at Bosch since 1968 says, "Use any top tier diesel fuel and you should be fine." He says Bosch tests diesel fuel from different stations and there is a difference....stick with top tier such as Philips, Exxon/Mobil, Conoco and Sunoco.

I think the only MB approved additive is Biopor for Algae/microbial control. He said Bosch and MB do not recommend adding anything else to the tank.
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Opti-lube is bine however it is more concentrated and easy to over-dose which just costs more. Also, 2-stroke is more readily available.
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Old 06-04-2017, 04:09 PM
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I would be very surprised if Mercedes/Bosch bothered to go back and test old injection systems with new low-sulfur fuels in any meaningful way. "Seems to still run fine" isn't enough for me personally. There's no way they've tested them for thousands of hours to measure longevity with less lubrication.

Injection pumps don't last forever, despite what many say. On this board we're starting to see more and more people with issues that were only resolved by servicing injection pump parts. Is it the new fuels or just age? Hard to say, but I'd like to give mine the best odds I can.

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