How rare is a 123/124 with no sun roof? I've only seen a couple and they were 123 wagons. I am guessing no sun roof means no power windows as well? I would love to find a nice 123/124 diesel with no sun roof for the extra headroom.

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Brian
87 300Dturbo 180K #14 head still running R-12 SOLD 12/2017
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08 Infiniti FX-35 40K
15 Golf Sportwagen TDI 35K
10 Sprinter 3500 chassis with a Class A Winnebago on it. 56K

I hate sunroofs, I looked at several 123's with no roof when I bought this one so I'm thinking not so rare... Lucky me I found a car that appears to have one option, the right hand mirror. Everything else appears to be standard for North America. No heated seats, no power windows, hub caps, manual. The car is a stripper, just how I wanted it.

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1981 240D Four on the floor, Orient Red over Parchment, bought with 154,000 but it's a daily driver and up to 180,000 miles, mostly original paint and all original interior.

I've had a bunch of benzes and most had sunroofs. I'd say 8 or 9 of 10. ...Wagons included.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

had a euro-pean grey market coupe with no hole, lots more grey imports didn't have them than us market cars

Bringing this thread back up as it seems most all Benzes have a sun/moon roof. So my question is, does any model/chassis in particular have more headroom than another? The headroom in my 1987 300D is not great and in order for me to not touch the ceiling with my head I have to tilt the seat quite a ways back which is not always ideal. I am talking early eighties to late eighties. It seems that the last time I sat in a SDL the headroom was no better than my D.

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87 300Dturbo 180K #14 head still running R-12 SOLD 12/2017
02 F350 Powerstroke 180K
05 Chevy Express 1 ton w/Royal Utility box 120K
08 Infiniti FX-35 40K
15 Golf Sportwagen TDI 35K
10 Sprinter 3500 chassis with a Class A Winnebago on it. 56K

My Euro 84' coupe has no sunroof and plenty of head room. But I am only 6' tall so your head room my vary.

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Fairport, NY
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1980 Unimog 416 Doka
1981 Unimog 416 Doka
1984 Euro 280CE w/diesel conversion
1985 300TD Estate wagon
(I really need to stop buying these things!)
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I once asked our local dealer rep........

His reply answered the color question as well.

His response was that the majority of cars that were sold by the dealership were cars that were already on the lot.

In today's world of instant gratification, customers are not willing to wait the 5 or 6 weeks to get a special order delivered. As a result, the dealers tended to order cars that were equipped with only the most popular (and saleable) combinations.

The result is black/grey/white cars with sunroofs. Odd colors and no sunroofs seem to be the province of special orders. I've owned a number of eighties grey market cars over the years, and even a majority of them were equipped with sunroofs.

Except W114 250Cs. I've owned four of them, and not one had a sunroof.... which my wife really wanted.

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14 E250 BlueTEC black. 45k miles
95 E320 Cabriolet Emerald green 66k miles
94 E320 Cabriolet Emerald green 152k miles
85 300TD 4 spd man, euro bumpers and lights, 15" Pentas dark blue 274k miles

I'm 6'1" and am perfectly comfortable in the 84SD.

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85SD 240K & stopped counting painted, putting bac together. 84SD 180,000. sold to a neighbor and member here but I forget his handle. The 84 is much improved from when I had it. 85TD beginning to repair to DD status. Lots of stuff to do.

My 79 300D didn't have a sunroof

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1998 Ford F150 -Rear ended
1989 J-spec 420SEL -passed onto its new keeper
1982 BMW 733i -fixed and traded for the 420SEL
2003 Volvo V70 5 Speed -scrapped
1997 E290 Turbo Diesel Wagon -traded for above
1992 BMW 525i -traded in
1990 Silver 300TE -hated the M103
1985 Grey 380SE Diesel Conversion, 2.47 rear end, ABS -Sold, really should have kept this one
1979 Silver 300D "The Silver Slug" -Sold

My 78 300CD has no sunroof, or passenger side mirror. The other 4 w123 coupes all have sunroofs. Do not notice any more headroom by not having a sunroof.

I have 3 W123 300d's, two of them have no sunroof and the third has a manual sunroof. All three of them are grey market imports. I think the imports more commonly come without sunroofs than the US models. I can take some measurements tomorrow if you'd like.

It's not just a matter of height, it's also where you fold in half. I am just under 6'4" but folded a little lower than normal which gives me a long torso.

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87 300Dturbo 180K #14 head still running R-12 SOLD 12/2017
02 F350 Powerstroke 180K
05 Chevy Express 1 ton w/Royal Utility box 120K
08 Infiniti FX-35 40K
15 Golf Sportwagen TDI 35K
10 Sprinter 3500 chassis with a Class A Winnebago on it. 56K

That would be awful nice of you, a measurement from floor to ceiling right in front of the driver's seat would be nice!

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Brian
87 300Dturbo 180K #14 head still running R-12 SOLD 12/2017
02 F350 Powerstroke 180K
05 Chevy Express 1 ton w/Royal Utility box 120K
08 Infiniti FX-35 40K
15 Golf Sportwagen TDI 35K
10 Sprinter 3500 chassis with a Class A Winnebago on it. 56K

It was very hard for me to find a manual transmission W123 without a sunroof. I am short so didn’t need the headroom, but just didn’t the liability of another area to leak/break - I was lucky enough to find a custom order vibrant English Red with manual windows, manual climate control, and manual transmission without a sunroof....annddd some lovely rust in a rear quarter that will be cut out this winter and welded back up. I’ll measure for you later today and post what I got.


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Okay, I measured all three cars from the front left seat bolt which should give us a controlled measurement as you can see here:



The 300d with a sunroof was 40" from bolt to headliner

The other two without sunroofs were 41- 41 1/2" (One of them has a loose headliner that comes down about 1/2")

So it looks like without a sunroof you gain about 1 1/2" of extra head space