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Old 01-06-2018, 11:09 AM
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Have you done a compression check on each cylinder?
I have #1 420 psi
#2 435
#3 400
#4 380
#5 455
#6 380


Not the best, fair.

I glowed 3 times and it started up normally.

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Old 01-06-2018, 11:14 AM
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If only mine started as smoothly...

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you probably need a valve job. they re usually due from my experience around your mileage, despite the maintenance good or not.



That's a big undertaking for me. I would do it, but i'll hold off.
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:39 AM
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If only mine started as smoothly...

That's a big undertaking for me. I would do it, but i'll hold off.
Not really a "smooth" start, had he glowed a bit longer it probably wouldn't have chugged and coughed as much. With the early style glow plug relay, you don't get afterglow, so on cold days it's a good idea to glow longer once the light goes out.

My SDL needed new valve guides. The original were cast iron and had worn a good amount of slop in them. The replacement are phosphor bronze and should last longer. Don't bother refurbing a head until you know it's crack-free, warp-free and worth rebuilding. If it's cracked, warped, eroded, or just worn out, consider a #17 or later head.
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:43 AM
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I have #1 420 psi
#2 435
#3 400
#4 380
#5 455
#6 380
You sure about that? I don't think these engines had 455PSI brand new... Much less at 300K+
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You sure about that? I don't think these engines had 455PSI brand new... Much less at 300K+
the peak psi on a new engine is 418psi according to the service manual IIRC.

Giants, I don't think you're doing the compression test correctly. you have to hold the pedal WOT for two compression hits or 5 seconds and quit. that's why you're seeing such high cylinder pressures.
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That's a big undertaking for me. I would do it, but i'll hold off.
a valve job you wouldn't do yourself. you would have to take it to a machine shop. But the removal and install of the head would be your job. which isn't difficult. For a first timer set aside 8 hours if you were to do it.
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You sure about that? I don't think these engines had 455PSI brand new... Much less at 300K+
speeling error


It was 435PSI.


I went back and forth between the harbour fright gauge and an older U.S. made gauge and got the same numbers.
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the peak psi on a new engine is 418psi according to the service manual IIRC.

Giants, I don't think you're doing the compression test correctly. you have to hold the pedal WOT for two compression hits or 5 seconds and quit. that's why you're seeing such high cylinder pressures.
Oh, I didn't know that, that explains everything, i'm prepared for some horrible numbers in the future.
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the peak psi on a new engine is 418psi according to the service manual IIRC.

Giants, I don't think you're doing the compression test correctly. you have to hold the pedal WOT for two compression hits or 5 seconds and quit. that's why you're seeing such high cylinder pressures.
Why WOT on the throttle? Does that engine have a throttle butterfly like a gasser?

Also, why only two compression strokes? The max it'll reach is the max it'll reach, right?

Not doubting you or busting your chops, just looking to fill a gap in my own knowledge.

I've read about carbon buildup closing off the open area in a head, effectively increasing the compression ratio and increasing PSI on a compression test.
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:44 PM
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I have #1 420 psi
#2 435
#3 400
#4 380
#5 455
#6 380


Not the best, fair.

I glowed 3 times and it started up normally.
New battery?

Sometimes speed of rotation when cranking is what's needed in cold weather starting.....
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the peak psi on a new engine is 418psi according to the service manual IIRC.

Giants, I don't think you're doing the compression test correctly. you have to hold the pedal WOT for two compression hits or 5 seconds and quit. that's why you're seeing such high cylinder pressures.
The maximum rated PSI I've seen quoted is 30bar, which is around 450PSI. That's assuming a NEW engine with perfect valve seating and no cylinder wear. I'd expect a 300K engine to be somewhere in the mid 300's.

WOT means nothing on these diesels, there's no throttle plate. The injectors or glow plugs should be removed, so there's no compression on the untested cylinders either.

As a rule of thumb, the first compression hit should get you somewhere around 50% of your max reading, and you should have the max reading after 3-4 hits. You can crank all you want after that and it should make no difference at all. A low first hit, or a slow buildup to max reading is a sign of low compression, even if the final compression number is acceptable.

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