Is a Tube ok in a Tubeless Tire ? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

leathermang · #1 03-23-2018, 10:49 AM

Will elaborate later.

tangofox007 · #2 03-23-2018, 10:52 AM

Okay or not, it gets done a lot.

leathermang · #3 03-23-2018, 11:20 AM

Are there any written rules or regulations which prohibit a tube from being put into a tubeless tire ?

Diesel911 · #4 03-23-2018, 11:44 AM

You might do better with a google search on the subject. I read some where when a Tube is used inside of a Tubless Tire the heat does not dissapate like it is suppsed to.

leathermang · #5 03-23-2018, 11:49 AM

Let me refine the question.
Is there any legit reason not to use a tube inside a Radial Tire ?

Diseasel300 · #6 03-23-2018, 11:56 AM

It depends on the rim. Is the rim designed for a tubeless tire? If so, it may have imperfections inside that will damage the tube quickly. If it's a tubeless tire being mounted on a tube-type rim, it happens pretty frequently.

leathermang · #7 03-23-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Diseasel300

It depends on the rim. Is the rim designed for a tubeless tire? If so, it may have imperfections inside that will damage the tube quickly. If it's a tubeless tire being mounted on a tube-type rim, it happens pretty frequently.

How would one recognize by looking...or are there markings somewhere ..... if a rim is designed for one or the other ?
That is the first time I have heard there might be a difference.

Diseasel300 · #8 03-23-2018, 12:15 PM

Typically a tube style rim lacks a proper bead "seat". The hole for the tire valve may also be a different size. Tubeless rims have the tire valve mounted to the rim itself, tube tires have the valve attached to the tube and passed through the rim.

A little bit of help and insight from a different forum:
https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/tubes-and-tubeless-a-guide.263036/

GregMN · #9 03-23-2018, 12:30 PM

I have done it for long term. I do believe that the innertube I got was rated for a radial tire.

strelnik · #10 03-23-2018, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GregMN

I have done it for long term. I do believe that the innertube I got was rated for a radial tire.

Citroen has been using tubes inside rims on radial tires since 1937. At that time, Michelin owned Citroen and set up the acquisition and engineering chains so that all Citroens through 1968 could use tubes inside radial tires. By 1970, it wasn't necessary as much, given the increased quality of the tires and the roads

As far as heat is concerned, Michelin-X radials, used from 1937-2016, tend to be thicker than Continental-brand tires, which are also used on Cits (and MB). No heat issues there.

I think you are safe. My 1950 and 1952 MBs both use Michelin radials and tubes.

For those who want to use them, most Euro suppliers sell protective sleeves that go into the hole of the rim and protect the valve.

Hope that helps.

leathermang · #11 03-23-2018, 02:16 PM

https://www.kenjones.com/tire-tubes

'''HELPFUL REMINDER ABOUT TIRE TUBES: Tire tube manufacturers are moving toward only producing RADIAL TIRE TUBES due to the fact that they can be used in both radial and bias tires. Still, some tire tubes are made in both radial and bias construction. Just remember RADIAL TIRE TUBES can be installed in both RADIAL TIRES AND BIAS TIRES, but BIAS TIRE TUBES can only be installed in BIAS TIRES. So, if your tire is of bias construction but a bias tube is not available, don't hesitate substituting a radial tube. NOTE: A Radial tube is designated with an "R" in the size (ex. 18.4R30).''''

Mxfrank · #12 03-23-2018, 02:48 PM

Next time you pass by a car show, take a look at all the Jaguars, MG's, Triumphs, Astons, Maserati's and Ferrari's with wire wheels. Unless the owner has upgraded to aftermarket tubeless rims, they will all be running tubeless radial tires with radial tubes. There's absolutely no problem with this, and if there's a law, it's news to me.

leathermang · #13 03-23-2018, 02:51 PM

Yes, you pretty much have to run tubes on those cars and spoked motorcycle rims...

Mxfrank · #14 03-23-2018, 03:44 PM

Yes, but the other part...tubeless tires...is directly to your question. They do this because it's next to impossible to find tube-type tires. And some tips to avoid chafing:

- run your hand over tire and rim to check for rough areas, fix if you can

- sprinkle talcum powder on the tube

- Wrap any rough spots on the rim with tape.

leathermang · #15 03-24-2018, 12:21 PM

So here is how this question came up.

We are dealing with a 2001 Lincoln Town car ( which I got from a relative for $2500 which he was about to trade in... with 100,000 miles on it ) It gets close to 25 miles per gallon out on the road....and is very comfortable... It is , however, totally dependent on the computers that run it.. I hate that.
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I have had a slow leak in the left rear tire for years...these tires are now about 6 years old.... the last time I took it back to Discount Tire they did slow the leak but I still carry a portable compressor around with me.

When they checked their paperwork it showed that I had only driven the car 3,000 miles in the last year and a half. I also use my 1995 pickup truck.

So I got one of those new Ryobi one plus tools and it would not air up the tire.. so I drove 20 miles to my closest Discount Tire and told him I wanted a tube put into that tire.

He said '' you can't put a tube in a car tire because they do not have a speed rating''

Well, I am both Old and Old School... 40 years of mechanicing ... half out on a farm.. I have been changing out my own tires and tubes forever. My Harley SuperGlide had beautiful chrome Drop Centers rims... very strong rims.. but hard to change out the tubes... without pinching the tube... A couple of nice ' tire spoons' and I could do that anywhere. This was back when you roughed up the hole and put the patch on it and set it on fire with a match to vulcanize it..

So when this guy said that ... he could see the look on my face....I was not accepting that... I did not call him a liar .... but clearly my experience did not coincide with his pronouncement.

I have been using only Michelin's since 1968. In 1969 I flew a Huey over the Michelin rubber plantation in Viet Nam. LOL It was just South of Bear Cat and East of Saigon.
They have multiple plantations.. that was just one.

So the Discount Tires guy warranted out the tire.. I always get the road hazard warranty because Mesquite Thorns and things around here are tough on tires... for $18.

and sold me a matching tire... so we could put both on the front... for $124.
I am totally pleased with Discount Tire....

but it left the question about ''' speed ratings'''' on tubes...

so in researching this... it turns out Tubes CAN be put into tubeless Radial Tires... what is required to be present is the """ R """" on the Tube Package....

https://www.kenjones.com/tire-tubes

Thanks for the input guys.