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W211 Ball Joints and Steering "Feel"
Lower ball joints in the CDI (MB branded) had been in there for 100k miles. One of them started making noise so I had my mechanic replace both of them....Lemforder.
As I'm driving the car, the steering somehow seems to be slightly stiffer than it was before. Nothing dramatic, but I notice that the car doesn't seem to be as quick to self center after a 90 degree turn as it was before. Any idea what to make of this? Is this just par for the course with new vs. old ball joints? Could it take a little while for them to "loosen up" a bit? From my W124, I know there's relationship between ball joints and self-centering. In that case ball joints weren't making any noise at all and seemed to be intact. But the car wouldn't self-center properly. Replacing ball joints solved the problem.
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Did the mechanic perform a front end alignment after replacing said ball joints? If not, he needs to do one. Self-centering is a function of alignment.
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In the case of my W124, the self-centering problem was SOLELY a matter of the ball joints binding. Here's the thread from seven years ago when I was trying to figure that one out. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/306774-what-would-account-steering-having-difficulty-returning-straight-position.html
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14 E250 Bluetec "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 153k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 171k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver, 142k mi, wastegate conversion 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife Last edited by shertex; 08-13-2018 at 05:42 PM. |
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Most ball joints have a rubber o ring under the socket to preload the joint. As the joint wears, the rubber expands to take up the space. At some point joint wear / aging of rubber causes the joint to loosen up.
Fresh ball joints have higher friction than worn out ones so centering might not be as rapid. As long as you are not having to steer back to center and car does not dart when wheel is straight, I'd call it good however an alignment check is always a good idea. Get actual pre and post alignment numbers and be sure to tell _the_ alignment tech you have no problem paying for an alignment even if everything is in spec and no adjustments are needed. The tech needs to feel comfortable that customer isn't going to scream at the service writer " I'm not paying _anything_ because your tech _didn't do anything_ " ( . . . to adjust the car ) . |
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14 E250 Bluetec "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 153k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 171k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver, 142k mi, wastegate conversion 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife Last edited by shertex; 08-14-2018 at 07:51 PM. |
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My 2006 CDI started to squeak, replaced with MOOG Problem Solver ball joints with zerk grease fittings. Did an alignment and it feels exactly as before.,no difference.
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One forum member noted that, when he rebuilt his W211 front end, the steering was noticeably tighter until he put some miles on the car. I'll be putting a lot of miles on the car over the next week...so we'll see.
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14 E250 Bluetec "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 153k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 171k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver, 142k mi, wastegate conversion 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife |
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Interestingly, lots and lots of people out there on automotive forums who've experienced the same thing (stiff steering after ball joint replacement). So at least I'm not alone.
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14 E250 Bluetec "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 153k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 171k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver, 142k mi, wastegate conversion 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife |
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The 211 that my neighbor used to have, had a radius rod with a ball joint on the steering knuckle. If I had a stiff steering problem I would check that ball joint, and probably inject grease into it with a grease needle.
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