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Old 10-08-2018, 09:04 PM
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Need to rotate 617 diesel engine by hand - will these tools work?

I have a long breaker bar and a 27 MM long socket. Do I need to purchase a ratcheting handle for the socket?


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Old 10-08-2018, 09:16 PM
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Warning I did not spellcheck.

If you remove the Glow Plugs the Engine will turn much more easily since you won't have to deal with the compression. When you do that a regular 1/2 inch ratchet wrench will turn the Engine. However, that is most easily done at least on mine from under the Car. But that means you cannot see what is going on top side.

I have turned the Engine with the Nut on the Power Steering Pump but you need to tighten the Belt and or push inwards on the belt so that the belt does not slip. Note that in order to tightn the Power Steering Belt there is a few nuts or bolts yo need to loosen or you will ruin the tensioner device if you start turning while those are tight.

Some look with disfavor on using the Power Steering Nut to turn the Engine but if the Glow Plugs are out the Engine should turn OK. And the Crankshaft Bolt is the recommend way to rotate the Engine.

I don't remember what size the Power Steering Nut is.
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I've never had much luck turning with the PS nut when glow plugs are in. I usually use a remote starter switch connected to the box on the passenger fender OR remove the fan and reinstall the bolts that hold the pulley on. Then it is easy to use a 27mm socket.

The decision depends on what level of precision is needed and whether you'd prefer to remove the glow plugs, fan or try the switch multiple times to get is close enough.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:53 PM
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A deep 27mm works well enough, but I’d look for a ratcheting breaker bar or long 1/2” ratchet to make life much easier.
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Make sure the stop lever is tied down to the stop position you don't want it starting on you when you least expect it.
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I've never had much luck turning with the PS nut when glow plugs are in. I usually use a remote starter switch connected to the box on the passenger fender OR remove the fan and reinstall the bolts that hold the pulley on. Then it is easy to use a 27mm socket.

The decision depends on what level of precision is needed and whether you'd prefer to remove the glow plugs, fan or try the switch multiple times to get is close enough.

I forgot about using a remote starter switch. I just happen to have one on hand!

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Rec long ratchet.Also used regular length ratchet inserted/taped into the pipe/handle from my floor jack as an extension. Detach fan shroud, guard radiator with cardboard, slip ratchet between shroud and radiator. Then you can watch the top end of engine while liesurely turning engine. I hated doing this from beneath the vehicle.
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My prefered method is using the PS nut. Have done it this way many times. Have done it without removing the glow plugs although I remove them once/year to inspect or replace anyway and try to co-incide the jobs. Using a remote switch works o.k. but I have a vision of how difficult it is to change the starter on these cars.

I have never done it using the crank nut since I work alone. I may look into gwizzer's method next time.

IRT accidental engine starting, I don't think it can happen without the key turned since the fuel is cut off.
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Old 10-09-2018, 09:39 AM
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..IRT accidental engine starting, I don't think it can happen without the key turned since the fuel is cut off.

If working as designed, yes. If you're messing around under the hood, you can disconnect the shutoff servo from vacuum on purpose or by accident, and that's just one way the shutoff won't work.
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Post But Seriously

? No one really thinks they're going to start a compression ignition engine when turning it slowly by hand, right ? .

RIGHT ? .
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IRT accidental engine starting, I don't think it can happen without the key turned since the fuel is cut off.
And the fuel shut-off actuator is operated by what?
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So, question for the experts; will using a remote starter start the engine?
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NO. I have used that method and it will not! Just don't turn the key on. Of course you could have an obscure failure that may allow fuel to the engine but it is highly unlikely. Even if it did the only issue would be oil splatter from the valve train unless you are stupid enough to leave the wrenches engaged in the valve train.

Worst case using the remote starter switch is stressing the starter motor. It is not intended to be used as test equipment.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:17 AM
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My prefered method is using the PS nut. Have done it this way many times. Have done it without removing the glow plugs although I remove them once/year to inspect or replace anyway and try to co-incide the jobs. Using a remote switch works o.k. but I have a vision of how difficult it is to change the starter on these cars.

I have never done it using the crank nut since I work alone. I may look into gwizzer's method next time.

IRT accidental engine starting, I don't think it can happen without the key turned since the fuel is cut off.
I also work alone 99% of the time.

The remote start switch is good for adjusting the valves but if you are tming the Fuel Injection Pump or doing something like the 2mm method you need to crank the Engine by hand and if you are alone you need to be up top to watch what is going on.
So it depends on what you need to do.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:22 AM
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Removing the Injectors also allows for easy turning at the expense of new heat shields and a bit of mess if you need to bleed the air out of the hard lines.

Craftsman has what is actually a breaker bar with a ratched head on it. The setup is slim compared to the Harbor Freith Ratchet with the breaker bar handle that I have.

For me it is just a pita to try to turn it by hand from above.

I don't know how it is with other people but my Wife has a large mental block when it comes to asking her for help with my Vehicles. She makes it more work to try to get her to help and no matter how simple I explain what I need she rarely understands with out a lots and lots of explanation.

I also don't like asking for help because even when other Mechanics helped I got hurt from something they did while helping me.

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