Problems with paint - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

strelnik · #1 11-13-2018, 09:58 AM

I have a 1983 300SD painted silberblau-silver blue, with painted bumpers.

I bought this car from a forum member's father and the car had original paint on it.

I took the car to a guy to get a quarter panel ding fixed and later, to get the rear bumper repainted.

The problem is that the silver bumper came back BROWN (anthracit)
I know this is wrong but to get the guy to repaint, I have to get something from Mercedes that shows that the paint supplier gave the guy the wrong color (I just took the plastic bumper over to save time and space).

I need the info from Mercedes.

The local dealers won't help.

The car has a paint code tag near the radiator but I also want to get info based on the VIN.

I am thinking of going to the Classic Center and talking to Tom Hanson. Any other ideas?

I can send him proof of ownership.

Your thoughts, please.

Stretch · #2 11-13-2018, 10:03 AM

What's the paint code it is meant to be according to the tag?

With code in hand you can usually find a picture of the example on the interweb - is that enough proof?

Otherwise there are copies of the original colour selection charts on the internet too

Diseasel300 · #3 11-13-2018, 10:49 AM

Run the VIN through a website VIN decoder, it'll tell you what the original options were, including paint codes.

This one: https://www.datamb.com returns the correct results for both my SDL and the Euro SL, so I'd think it was accurate enough.

Rick76 · #4 11-13-2018, 10:53 AM

My '80 coupe is silver-blue. It is code 930.

rocky raccoon · #5 11-13-2018, 03:07 PM

In the absence of a paint code, perhaps the car has been repainted in a non-standard color.

My body man took the fuel door off and took it to the paint shop where it could be matched.

GregMN · #6 11-13-2018, 05:40 PM

VIN ?

strelnik · #7 11-14-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GregMN

VIN ?

WDBCB20A3CB024313

btw datamb froze up and crapped out.

Stretch · #8 11-14-2018, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strelnik

WDBCB20A3CB024313

btw datamb froze up and crapped out.

That looks like a US VIN which isn't the same as a Mercedes one.

I'd expect your VIN to be something like WDB?126120??????

300SD is a 126.120 chassis type - that's the one that in EPC will come with the colour code from the factory - the alternative is to post information from the ID tag

Diseasel300 · #9 11-14-2018, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strelnik

WDBCB20A3CB024313

btw datamb froze up and crapped out.

Worked for me.....

FIN WDB12612012024313
VIN WDBCB20A3CB024313
Model Year 1982
Model 300 SD
Engine 617951 12 024395
Transmission 722303 02 187729
Order Number 0 1 705 56398
Order Location UNITED STATES (USA)
Interior LEATHER - BLUE (232)
Paint 1 SILVER BLUE METALLIC (930U)
Paint 5 32
Code Description
410 SLIDING ROOF, ELECTRICALLY OPERATED
440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
451 TACHOMETER
467 CENTRAL LOCKING MECHANISM AND INSTRUMENTS WITH ENGLISH LETTERING
491 U.S. VERSION
504 OUTSIDE REARVIEW MIRROR, RIGHT; ELECTRICALLY CONTROLLED; L.H.D
519 BECKER RADIO MEXICO GRAND PRIX, ELECTRONIC (USA)
524 PAINTWORK - PRESERVATION
531 AUTOMATIC ANTENNA
543 SUN VISOR WITH VANITY MIRROR, ILLUMINATED, LEFT AND RIGHT
570 FOLDING ARMREST, FRONT
588 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL AND ELECTRIC WINDOW LIFTERS (FRONT AND REAR DOORS)
592 HEAT-INSULATING GLASS, ALL-AROUND, HEATED REAR WINDOW PANE, BAND FILTER
611 COURTESY LAMPS FOR FRONT AND REAR DOORS
639 ELIMINATION OF FIRST-AID BOX AND WARNING TRIANGLE
640 15-HOLE LIGHT ALLOY RIMS
668 MODE OF PACKING VE III WITH STYROPOR BUMPER RAILS
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
802 CHANGE OF MODEL YEAR, THE LAST FIGURE SHOWING THE NEW MODEL YEAR

Mercedes Benz VIN decoded at https://www.datamb.com/vin/7l9rK2eY9Kv2bZeLm

97 SL320 · #10 11-14-2018, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strelnik

I took the car to a guy to get a quarter panel ding fixed and later, to get the rear bumper repainted.. . . .

. . . . The problem is that the silver bumper came back BROWN (anthracit)
I know this is wrong but to get the guy to repaint, I have to get something from Mercedes that shows that the paint supplier gave the guy the wrong color (I just took the plastic bumper over to save time and space).

What color information did you give the body shop when the bumper was dropped off?

strelnik · #11 11-19-2018, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 97 SL320

What color information did you give the body shop when the bumper was dropped off?

I gave the body shop the VIN and they agreed it was silver blue because they had done a little bit of work on it for me, previously.

strelnik · #12 11-19-2018, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stretch

That looks like a US VIN which isn't the same as a Mercedes one.

I'd expect your VIN to be something like WDB?126120??????

300SD is a 126.120 chassis type - that's the one that in EPC will come with the colour code from the factory - the alternative is to post information from the ID tag

Here are the "VINs" for the car:

FIN WDB12612012024313
VIN WDBCB20A3CB024313

The FIN version follows the 14 digit VIN which was used until all world VINs were homologated to 17 characters using three additional letters indicating country of origin. WDB = West Germany Daimler-Benz

strelnik · #13 11-19-2018, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diseasel300

Worked for me.....

FIN WDB12612012024313
VIN WDBCB20A3CB024313
Model Year 1982
Model 300 SD
Engine 617951 12 024395
Transmission 722303 02 187729
Order Number 0 1 705 56398
Order Location UNITED STATES (USA)
Interior LEATHER - BLUE (232)
Paint 1 SILVER BLUE METALLIC (930U)
Paint 5 32
Code Description
410 SLIDING ROOF, ELECTRICALLY OPERATED
440 TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
451 TACHOMETER
467 CENTRAL LOCKING MECHANISM AND INSTRUMENTS WITH ENGLISH LETTERING
491 U.S. VERSION
504 OUTSIDE REARVIEW MIRROR, RIGHT; ELECTRICALLY CONTROLLED; L.H.D
519 BECKER RADIO MEXICO GRAND PRIX, ELECTRONIC (USA)
524 PAINTWORK - PRESERVATION
531 AUTOMATIC ANTENNA
543 SUN VISOR WITH VANITY MIRROR, ILLUMINATED, LEFT AND RIGHT
570 FOLDING ARMREST, FRONT
588 AUTOMATIC CLIMATE CONTROL AND ELECTRIC WINDOW LIFTERS (FRONT AND REAR DOORS)
592 HEAT-INSULATING GLASS, ALL-AROUND, HEATED REAR WINDOW PANE, BAND FILTER
611 COURTESY LAMPS FOR FRONT AND REAR DOORS
639 ELIMINATION OF FIRST-AID BOX AND WARNING TRIANGLE
640 15-HOLE LIGHT ALLOY RIMS
668 MODE OF PACKING VE III WITH STYROPOR BUMPER RAILS
673 HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
802 CHANGE OF MODEL YEAR, THE LAST FIGURE SHOWING THE NEW MODEL YEAR

Mercedes Benz VIN decoded at https://www.datamb.com/vin/7l9rK2eY9Kv2bZeLm

I don't know what paint 5 32 is, but I called MBUSA Classic Center and they told me the other paint for the cladding and bumper is 7175 matte grey.

I have all this info and am going with the bumper to the painter's today to sort this out.

97 SL320 · #14 11-19-2018, 03:45 PM

I posted the list below a while back.

Any chance this car used to be 2 tone? At least in the early 90's MB used 2 tone but ended this in the mid 90's. I'm not sure how far back that goes.

My 97 C280 is 702 Smoke Silver ( gold tint ) with bumper rub strips that MB calls 7176 Shell Gray according to the data card. The color is somewhat darker than tan but not quite brown. The car had been repainted at some point so I don't know if the tan / brown is the factory color.

https://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/318879-whats-my-bumper-trim-color-code.html

Here is my list of color codes, not sure what years but they look to be late 80's and up.

http://color-online.glasurit.com/

http://www.amcon-luxled.com/mbcar/options.html

http://www.landiss.com/paintcodes.htm

Mercedes Paint Codes

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Code Color (* = metallic)
019 designo red* (crimson metallic*)
040 black (schwarz)
050 white (weiss)
122 pearl grey (perlmattgrau)*
124 arabian grey (arabergrau)
125 pearl grey (perlgrau)
131 pastellweiss
140 silver grey (silbergrau)
143 fern white
147 arctic white (arcticweiss)
149 polar white (polarweiss)
153 snow white (schneeweiss), glacier white
157 beige grey (beigegrau)
158 white grey (weissgrau)
160 tropic black*
162 blue grey (blaugrau)
164 dark grey (dunkelgrau)
166 blue grey (blaugrau)
169 light stone grey (steingrau hell)
171 stone grey (steingrau)
172 anthracite grey (anthrazitgrau)*
173 anthracite grey (anthrazitgrau)
178 medium grey (mittelgrau)*
180 silver grey (silbergrau)*
181 light beige (hellbeige)
185 melanite black*
186 cement grey (zementgrau)
189 greenish-black (emerald black) (black opal) (smaragdsschwarz)*
190 graphite grey (graphitgrau)
195 meteor grey (meteorgrau)*
197 obsidian black*
199 black pearl (blue-black) (blauschwarz)*
218 lindgrün
221 dark green (dunkelgrün)
226 moss green (moosgrün)
229 medium green (mittelgrün)
231 perlmutter grün
249 spruce green (malachite) (malachit)*
254 pine green*
256 crystal green*
259 forest green (waldgrün)
260 oasis green (oasengrün)
261 willow green*
268 dark green (dunkelgrün) blaugrün?
269 tourmaline green (turmalingrün)*
270 blue green (blaugrün)
272 amazon green (amazonitgrün)*
274 light green (hellgrün)*
278 tundra green (tundragrün)
279 vivianite green (vivianitgrün)*
282 jungle green (dschungelgrün)*
291 dark olive (dunkeloliv)
304 horizon blue (horizontblau)
312 labrador blue
317 grey blue (graublau)
320 blue (blau)
332 dark blue (dunkelblau)
334 light blue (hellblau)
335 mercedesblau
339 violane (violan)*
341 aquamarine blue (aquamarinblau)*
348 ice blue (pearl blue) (perlblau)*
350 medium blue (mittelblau)
353 light blue (hellblau), teallite blue
3538 chassisrot
355 diamond blue (diamintblau)*
356 light blue (hellblau)
359 tanzanite blue (tansanitblau)
366 azurite blue (azuritblue)*
375 atoll blue*
380 delphinblau
381 violet (floraviolett)
387 blue (blau)*
396 medium blue (mittelblau)*
404 milan brown (milanbraun)*
406 cayenne orange (cayenneorange)
408 havana brown (havannabraun)
409 dark brown (dunkelbraun)
4100 cement grey (zementgrau)
412 beige
419 ikonengold*
4200 light blue (hellblau)
422 byzanzgold*
423 dark tobacco brown (tabakbraun dunkel)
424 topaz brown (topasbraun)
427 russet brown
430 autumn beige (herbstbeige)
432 havana brown* (also bisonbraun?)
439 cream (creme)
441 desert taupe (impala brown) (hellbeige)*
442 deer brown (rehbraun)
444 sand beige
459 maroon brown
460 dark red brown (dunkelrotbraun)
461 bronze brown (broncebraun)*
462 beige*
463 copper (kupfer)*
467 sandbeige*
470 coloradobeige
473 champagne (champagnermetallic)*
475 nutria*
476 golden brown
479 walnut brown (also moorbraun?)
480 manganese brown*
481 blackberry (bornite) (bornit)*
482 apricot orange
483 volcanic red (vulcanrot)*
485 rosewood (rosenholz)*
501 orient red
502 speed red
504 english red (englischrot)
512 garnet red (almadine red) (almandinrot)*
513 bordeau red (bordeauxrot)
514 carnelian (agate) red (karneolrot)
516 medium red (mittelrot)
519 red, light red (rot)
525 brilliant red (brillantrot)*
526 mercedes red (mercedesrot)
5328 standard blue (standardblau)
534 fire red (feuerrot)
538 red brown (rotbraun)
540 desert red (barolo red) (barolorot)
541 storm red
542 dark red (dunkelrot)
543 strawberry red (erdbeerrot)
567 maroon (lasurrot)* (also titanite red, titanitrot)*
568 signal red (signalrot) (hellrot)
571 brilliant red (rot)*
572 ruby red (rubin)*
573 dark bordeau red (dunkelbordeauxrot)
574 spindelrot
576 red (rot)
581 inca red*
582 imperial red (imperialrot)
585 mesa red
587 cabernet red (pajettrot)*
589 jupiter red
594 ember red (glutrot)
597 saturn red*
606 maple yellow (ahorngelb)
608 ivory (elfenbein)
618 mimosa yellow (mimosangelb)
620 light ivory (hellelfenbein)
623 light ivory (hellelfinbein)
6277 standard green (standardgrün)
6285 pine green (fichtengrün)
6286 unimog green (unimog-grün)
630 corn yellow (maisgelb)
651 pueblo beige
658 ivory (elfenbein)
670 light ivory (hellelfenbein)
673 sahara yellow (saharagelb)
680 sun yellow
681 manila beige (also weizengelb?)
684 pastel beige
690 light ochre
691 light yellow (lichtgelb)
693 travertine beige*
696 night black

702 smoke silver (rauchsilber)* ( MY 97 SL320 )

706 moonlight silver (mondsilber)*
716 grey beige (graubeige)
717 papyrus white (papyrosweiss)
7186 pearl grey (perlgrau)
7187 standard grey (standardgrau)
721 onyx grey (onyxgrau)*
723 cubanite silver (cubanitsilber)*
726 beige grey (beigegrau)
728 beige grey (beigegrau)*
733 phantom grey (phantomgrau)
735 astral silver (astralsilber)* (bundt style wheels)
737 classic white (classicweiss)
740 pastel grey (pastellgrau)
744 brilliant silver (brillantsilber)* (claimed to be close to new wheels)
745 crystal silver*
747 granite grey, perlite grey*
748 comet grey*
751 ascot grey (liasgrau)
752 carrara grey
753 (tektitgrau)
760 quartz silver (quarzsilber)*
761 polar silver*
791 dune gold*
801 mangrove green*
803 moss green
815 agate green (achatgrün)
816 agate green, andradite green
822 forest green
823 sea foam green
824 sea green (seegrün)
825 deep green (tiefgrün)
834 moss green (moosgrün)*
858 mesa red?????
860 green (grün)
861 silver green (silbergrün)*
862 pine green (piniengrün)*
867 kaledoniengrün
870 nickelgrün
874 citrus green (citrusgrün)*
875 mango green
876 cypress green (zypressengrün)*
877 blue green (also petrol?)*
880 cactus green (agavengrün)
881 thistle green* (also silberdistel?)
888 teal blue (beryl) (beryll)*
891 alexandrite green (alexandritgrün)*
900 deep blue (surfblau)
903 blue (blau)
904 midnight blue (dark blue) (dunkelblau)
906 grey blue (graublau)*
9147 same as 147 arctic white
917 aqua (aquablau)
920 deep blue (tiefblau)
922 pastel blue (pastellblau)
929 nautical blue (nautikblau)*
930 silver blue*
931 magnetite blue (magnetitblau)*
932 lapis blue (lapisblau)*
933 deep-sea blue (tiefseeblau)*
934 china blue (chinablau)
940 marine blue
941 (aragonitblau)
945 lapis blue (lapisblau)
949 cascade blue (kaskadenblau)
958 reef blue*
960 light ochre????? also alabaster white?
9963 indium grey* (indiumgrau) AKA C963

Mercedes-Benz All Models Touch Up Paint

Tropengruen (Trim) 6856

Sodalith Blue (matt) Pearl 5205
Shell Gray (matt) 7176
Ruby (matt) Pearl 3518
Rio Blue (matt) 5309
Paprika Red (matt) 3524
Orient Green (matt) Pearl 6301
Midnight Blue (matt) 5214
Marble Grey (matt) 7201
M/S Grey (matt) 7209
Laud. Grey (matt) 7204
Imperial Red (matt) 3533
Gray (matt) DB-7176
Corundum Red (matt) 3549
Brilliant Emerald (matt) Pearl 6864
Black Opal (matt) 9122
Azure Blue (matt) 5218
Atlas Grey (matt) 7181
Alto Grey (matt) 7700
Agate Grey (matt) 7202
Agate Green (matt) 6303

Spruce Green 249/6249
Smoke Silver 702/9702
Ruby Pearl 572/3572
Royal Indigo 339/4339
Polar White 149/9149
Moonstone Grey 721/7721
Midnight Blue 904/5904
Imperial Red 582/3582
Cypress Green 272/6272
Calypso Green 279
Brilliant Silver 744/9744
Brilliant Emerald Pearl 269/6269
Black Pearl DB-199
Black Opal Pearl 189/9189
Black 040/9040
Azure Blue Pearl 366/5366
Aspen Green 891/6891