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CA 617 into federal 617
Hello All,
I finally decided to buy another wagon after years of old Vw bus and 356 tinkering. I bought a nice 83 wagon that had a bad motor. I bought another wagon (1985)that has the trap oxidizer CA emission engine in it. Today I adjusted the valves in it as well as rolled a new chain in. Looking at this, it looks like I will need to either swap out all electrical components in the car like ovp relay, and other goodies or I could just transfer oil pans, intake and turbo off my old motor to make this work. Has anyone done this swap? Any tips are appreciated. I will also have lots of blue interior stuff available for sale. Thanks, Jason |
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The groove for the rear rope type main seal is built into the Oil Pan. Not I have never removed the Oil pan but I believe I read in the Manual that there is some sort of centering tool to center the front of the pan to the crank shaft so that the seal bore is lined up. However, I don't know how necessary that tool is.
It depends on if you want to change the Rear Main and front Crank Seal or not before you install the Engine. If the only difference on the CA Oil Pan is the lack of the blow-by oil drain you can take care of that with a different blow-by setup. Does it look as if the Rear Main Seal on the CA Engine was leaking? Personally I would only use what is in the old car with the bad Engine and don't use any of the specifically CA stuff. You did not say which transmission you plan to use. The CA has a different vacuum system and slightly different transmission. I am guessing if you use the CA Transmission you are best off with the CA vacuum system. I don't know if the 83 has the EGR or not. If so if you want to you can plug off the EGR if you have no State Inspections to pass.
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Im interested in the CA stuff if you done use it. One of the POs of my new to me 300TD did this conversion and I want to put it back.
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1985 300CD, CA 172 Anthrazitgrau/Palomino 154 1985 300TD, CA 040 Schwarz/Palomino 154/3rd row seat 1985 300TD, CA 473 Champagner/Palomino 154/Cargo cover |
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Both transmissions are 722.315s from what I recall. I don’t think there really is any need for the pan centering tool. My rear mains show no signs of a leak. Another blow by drain set up is certainly interesting, any ideas? I will research it further. I too prefer to ditch the CA junk. Re sealing the engine isn’t too bad an idea. Don’t have to worry about leaks. I resealed one of the transmissions. It seems like it would be easier to swap the pan, turbo, intake etc. The federal body does not have the platform to mount the air filter housing from the CA car. A hole would also need to be made for the housing on the inner right fender. Injection pumps are the same. My main reason staying away from the CA set up is due to saving time from removing harness-parts under the dash.
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Dcraigk, Can you please post pics of your engine bay? Curious as to where the Sls res ended up.
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For my 85 the sls reservoir is supposed to be on the drivers fender behind the washer reservoir. A PO installed a biodiesel system and ditched the washer reservoir and strapped the sls reservoir there. I’m tryin to put it all back to stock.
You can see pictures in the ‘how to’ section on Pelican. I don’t know how to post pictures now that I left Photobucket.
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1985 300CD, CA 172 Anthrazitgrau/Palomino 154 1985 300TD, CA 040 Schwarz/Palomino 154/3rd row seat 1985 300TD, CA 473 Champagner/Palomino 154/Cargo cover |
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Thank you for the reply. Before I head off to bed, I had some thoughts. I can ditch the CA air filter with a K&N snorkel-filter eliminating cutting into the car. or just go back to federal. I can use the federal intake and turbo and vacuum set up as it is simple. The turbo drain is something I need to re-think. Staying away from the rope seal is smart. Leaving the pan on is probably best. What have folks done to re-invent so to speak? Guess I need to get some rest. Some pictures would be helpful. Basically the easiest way to do this is what I am after. Hoping someone has done it.
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PM me your email and I’ll send you pictures of the setup my car has. I still have the CA air cleaner. I thought all I had was a federal intake and a straight pipe for the exhaust.
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1985 300CD, CA 172 Anthrazitgrau/Palomino 154 1985 300TD, CA 040 Schwarz/Palomino 154/3rd row seat 1985 300TD, CA 473 Champagner/Palomino 154/Cargo cover |
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Pm sent Sir. Thank you
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If the '85 is a California model, wouldn't it have the 722.416 transmission? See the chart below, from the link that follows:
1985 FEDERAL W/S/C123 (300D/TD/CD) = 722.315 transmission 1985 FEDERAL W126 (300SD) = 722.303 transmission 1985 CALIFORNIA W/S/C123 (300D/TD/CD) & W126 (300SD) = 722.416 transmission (300SD had a different tailcone for electronic speedometer - 100% interchangable with mechanical version) https://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/1311563-1985-diesel-mercedes-upgrades.html Regardless, it's my understanding that the CA engine will mate up with the 722.315 transmission just fine, and I think folks on the forum that have done a similar swap have just hooked the vacuum up as per the 85 system. I think user "mach4" put a California model 617 in his 380SL and later replaced the worn 722.416 with a 722.315 without issue.
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Christopher '06 Mercedes E350 station wagon (silver/black) '85 Mercedes 300D (black pearl/palomino) '85 Mercedes 300SD (smoke silver/burgundy) '79 Cadillac Sedan DeVille '05 Toyota Camry (because always running is nice) '85 Mercedes 300D sold back to orig. owner 8-1-06 '84 Volvo 264GL Diesel, owned 2000-2013 |
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I think the trans is going to be fine. I am going to most likely ditch all the CA related if I can. The only issue I know I am going to have is using the federal turbo- air filter set up with the CA upper oil pan that does have the return pipe for the drain protruding up. Anyone ever run into this? Maybe a catch can? Any insight?
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I got the separator by looking at one on a 240D as I recall, not certain but you can see the p/n in one of the fotos I snapped for you. I made the mounting bracket for it using some scrap aluminum and that had to be redone once or twice because the vibration tore it apart. The green hose is a high temp silicone lined hose I had to find because regular hose gets hard and cracks due to the heat and oil vapors. I don't remember where the oil drain hole was made maybe drilled out the upper oil pan. A friend of mine gave me a lot of guidance. I could never have done it alone. I've made a couple of trips from CA to Texas in it and a lot of daily driving. Car had 190K on it when I bought it and I couldn't live with the NA performance so I got the 85 engine, replaced pistons and rings honed the cylinders and did a valve job around 1991. Now its got close to 370K and counting. I see I need to clean the K&N I swap a clean one in and clean the old at my leisure, I think its their RU-1000. Naysayers will come out of the woodwork and say that is a sure way to ruin your engine but I guess I've proven them wrong. Frequent oil changes are a part of my routine. DDH
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'95 E320 Wagon my favorite road car. '99 E300D wolf in sheeps body, '87 300D Sportline suspension, '79 300TD w/ 617.952 engine at 367,750 and counting! |
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