What are the "special Parts" on my Euro 4sp turbo 300CD? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

rjz5400 · #1 07-28-2019, 10:54 AM

I just bought this car having been totaled ad sold at auction to a guy who then sold it to me a month later, and I suspected made a few duckets on the exchange... fair enough.

Anyway, I am putting it into a 1991 Toyota pickup and will be posting lots about that as it comes together, the engine rebuild/prep will be a separate thread WITH PICS!! hah

I know this car seems odd, or at least it did to me, I haven't decoded the build sheet (luckily still in the open glove box attached to the main book) but it does appear to be a euro import 4 speed with a 952 motor factory.

This means I believe it has the 38# flywheel, which I may need to check in order to match balance my new flywheel. and also the manual driveshaft, clutch, trans, shifter, and possibly a lower gear ratio.... The tach amp was missing for some reason so I don't know what RPMs were but I had no problem cruising at 80 and felt comfortable with the sound of the engine.

so is the only rare item the flywheel? or is the cross member/DS/Linkage/other parts special to a turbo manual car?

Eventually, it will all be for sale I just wonder what might be worth pulling before I scrap the shell.

SonnyMorrow · #2 07-28-2019, 12:54 PM

The VIN doesn't appear to be a Euro VIN as they start with WDB123 rather than WDBAB. Also seeing as Mercedes never sold a manual W123 with a turbocharged Om617 I think you probably have a Frankenstein W123. That being said there is no telling what parts are on the car, you'll have to investigate.

rjz5400 · #3 07-28-2019, 02:27 PM

it does, however, have the euro small bumpers and the silver-backed import tag with a 1983 date that I recall seeing on my previous grey market cars... I will get under and check out the trans for any signs of a swap.

I guess I might not know about the flywheel at least until I pull the motor/trans out and have a look.

anyone know the trans code from the build sheet attached?

SonnyMorrow · #4 07-28-2019, 02:48 PM

I know VINs can get screwed up so that is a definitely a possibility. I bought a white 300d Euro not too long ago and the DMV couldn't even find it in their database. Somehow I managed to get the car insured and registered but the DMV gave it a strange VIN which remained with the car ever since.

Take a bunch of pictures of your car inside and out, and post them here. I'm sure we can pinpoint all of the Euro/USA nuances.

Frank Reiner · #5 07-28-2019, 03:07 PM

If the build sheet is legit, the car was built with the expected autobox: 722.315 showing on the sheet! And the 123.153-12- . -12- denotes autobox.

rjz5400 · #6 07-28-2019, 05:09 PM

well there you go, at least now I don't have to hold the fW and get my new one match balanced!!

I just pressure washed it all down and the trans is painted red (one assumes for speed) and there was a bolt missing etc. so sure looks to be swapped in.

Thanks for the help gang!!

standby for the engine refresh thread and the CD part out will probably start today!!

Frank Reiner · #7 07-28-2019, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rjz5400

well there you go, at least now I don't have to hold the fW and get my new one match balanced!!

You could take a great leap of faith, believe that the person who swapped in the M/T matched the manual FW to the original autobox FW, and that therefor you can subsequently match your new FW to the one that is on the engine, all without losing the original balance correction!

rjz5400 · #8 07-28-2019, 06:33 PM

hah, if you saw the general quality of the work on this thing you wouldn't guess that. ATM I am just hoping the bolts weren't swapped for imperial or cross-threaded.

ill almost certainly replace the flywheel bolts along with all the accessories, for some reason blue RTV was the sealant du jour for the PO

I'm thinking ill just install the neutral new FW and go from there.

oh yea i remembered that I saw the trans cooling line spacers on the oil pan mounting bolts.

rjz5400 · #9 07-30-2019, 07:42 PM

I may have spoken too soon!!

This had nice bearings, nice looking Sach clutch, and what I believe is the heavy flywheel!! I haven't pulled it off to check the part number but it sure doesn't look like. A 240 fw to me. Also the trans is likely a w115 Al. Bell iron body 4 speed .

Frank Reiner · #10 07-30-2019, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rjz5400

I may have spoken too soon!!

This had nice bearings, nice looking Sach clutch, and what I believe is the heavy flywheel!! I haven't pulled it off to check the part number but it sure doesn't look like. A 240 fw to me. Also the trans is likely a w115 Al. Bell iron body 4 speed .

Before removing the FW from the crankshaft, MARK the FW & crank for position.
And a pic of the gearbox.

rjz5400 · #11 07-30-2019, 08:17 PM

will do, I appreciate your concern and SPEEEEEEEED!!!

I am aware of the need to match balance if the one on isn't neutral... but this FW wasn't super smooth anyway and I am almost positive this came with an auto.... it is block marked 617.952 as I was worried someone turboed an NA engine and swapped it in.

I should have checked the block number before I bought it, I just got lucky.

I'll resize the tranny pic and post it, I haven't pulled it. I don't want to drain any more fluids tonight!! (clutch)

Frank Reiner · #12 07-30-2019, 09:01 PM

The FW does appear to be the 5-cyl. type; it is deeper aft of the pressure plate than the 4-cyl. type, and is chamfered for housing clearance.

math · #13 07-30-2019, 09:05 PM

Don't scrap the coupe' there are rare as **** >.< Especially manual turbodiesel

rjz5400 · #14 07-30-2019, 10:16 PM

this one has been wrecked more than once and is missing doors and hood!

it was an auto with a manual swap done to it. but if you want to save it come on down and pick it up this weekend, I'll make you a good deal!

rjz5400 · #15 07-31-2019, 02:01 PM

does anyone care about the 4speed manual? is the CD manual driveshaft or shifter linkage or any of that better/different than a 240d? i could pretty easily pull all of it before I scrap the shell. but if it is all going to be 100$ shipped i wont bother,