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cheap mono valve replacement system
so using these two parts and some vac line
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003R34VMU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003R43J2C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 the water valve is normally closed so when the heater is on the electric pump runs so using that for activation to the solenoid it applies vacuum to the water valve opening it the solenoid self vents so when no heat call the vacuum is released causing water valve to pull shut i unplugged the pump as it is no longer needed i will try to answer questions, easier to hook up than to explain under $30 bucks too i do have a couple of poor pictures but don't know how to post them hope this helps
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Looks simple but how to regulate the water flow to get the heat level you want ? .
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the mono valve applies 12v to close and i apply 12v to open the valve so i might have to see what happens Steve
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So basically this?
https://klimakit.com/product/monovalve-and-coolant-circulator-pump-eliminator-upgrade-kit/
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Ditto, as dude99 said, I remembered the Klima kit, which is based on M-B parts for later years, if that is important to you, otherwise cheaper parts (Chevy or Toyota in U.S.) can work. Just insure the polarity is correct (12 V applied to solenoid closes the water valve).
Re the "aux pump" which fireman mentions, long gone in my 84 & 85 300D's. A section of silicone hose works just as well w/o risk of coolant leaks or cabin fire. That electric pump is just one more over-engineered silliness by M-B. For my mono-valve future, I have one from a 1986+ 300D, which are still inexpensive, especially used on ebay. Once I run out of factory parts, I'll install it where the aux pump sat, extending the wires to reach. I wondered in the mono-valve is opened proportionally (servo) or just on-off control. Either would work. If the drive element is a relay, then it is certainly on-off, but I would think then they would use "high-side control". Instead, they supply 12 V to one side of the coil and use "low-side control", as was common for transistorized controls in the 1980's and still seen in most engine controllers today. With a transistor, it could be a proportional output, but more likely would still be a simple on-off control. The reason it matters is that a proportional control loop could go unstable if the control elements are changed.
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In the original installation of the diaphragm operated water valve (GM?/Toyota?), do you know if it is installed in the hot (inlet) side of the heater core, or in the cold (exit) side? If it is suitable for use in 80C+ water the system operation can be improved with hot side control. |
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A bit of internet rooting around reveals this:
> there are two related valve P/Ns, 1021C & 1022C; one is normally open, the other normally closed > these are replacements for Ford valves used in mid-80s Escort, and 2000s Ranger > Ford hose diagrams show the valve installed in the hot side |
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I personally don't care about the automatic feature in these cars. I always have the thumb wheel at the fully locked position of either end of it's travel. I just adjust the fan speed and point the vents in a comfortable position. A simple on/off flow of coolant to the heater core is appealing to me. With many of these cars having suspect monovalve operation, I usually just install a 3/4 PEX ball valve (perfect size nipples for the hose) in the hose (hot side of core) above the oil filter canister. However, this does have it's pro's and con's. The pro being there is no way any hot coolant can get into the core for A/C use. The con is that sometimes I need heat in the morning, and A/C in the afternoon. This makes it a hassle to open/close the ball valve twice a day. Having a manual heater valve that is controlled from the cabin is a great idea. As far as using the coolant pump for the open/close signal, I would probably use a relay to be on the safe side. Better yet, I would be inclined to hide a rocker switch that I can toggle back an forth that opens/closes the heater valve, without opening the hood. Total manual control is best for me. YMMV
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