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Old 12-27-2020, 01:41 PM
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1983 300TD brake light bulb replacement

I have a burned out brake light bulb, but I can't see how to access the bulb/s. I found photos of the proccedure on a sedan, which looks straightforward. On my wagon, though, it looks completely different. I must be missing something, no? This shouldn't be a difficult job, but I don't see how to get in there...

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Old 12-27-2020, 03:45 PM
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On mine, one side has a weird style of bolt with a slot you can use to unscrew it using a screwdriver and the other side has nuts. Access is from the inside.
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Old 12-27-2020, 06:28 PM
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W123 Wagon Rear Bulb Replacement

Easy-Peasy :

Remove the inside trim panel on the side you need to access, if the driver's side you'll need to remove the spare tire as well, look for the two slotted screws and undo them, GENTLY pull the rectangular bulb holder free and carefully remove the old bulb, wipe the side contacts where the bulbs pins go and insert new bulbs ~ I use LED's in all three, much safer and so on .

LOOK CLOSELY at the other bulbs if you see any shiny haze or black inside the globe, that bulb is near death, replace it now .

The black plastic rectangular bulb holder is really easy to damage so BE GENTLE with it .
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:07 AM
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Does changing the brake light bulbs to LED's affect the cruise control?
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Old 12-28-2020, 10:52 AM
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Does changing the brake light bulbs to LED's affect the cruise control?
These are the type of questions you will only see on an old mercedes forum lol...
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Old 12-28-2020, 01:29 PM
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[EDIT: An LED probably won't have the same resistance as a light bulb. It will look like an open circuit / bad bulb to things like a cruise control or blinker relay. If you find for yourself that it doesn't, below is a recipe for a modification that will make the circuit look the same to the cruise or blinker system. Since this details a modification to a vehicle safety system i'm gonna recommend caution, common sense, and advise that I don't take responsibility for problems that result.]

To match the resistance of an old brake light or blinker bulb with an LED (assuming it isn't matched already), you can put a resistor in parralel with the LED.

1. Determine the current draw (I) of the old bulb (use a multimeter in series or a clamp current meter) and voltage drop across (V) it (multimeter)
From Ohm's law: V=IR, with algebra, R=V/I

Or use this:
https://ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms-law-calculator

1a. Same for the LED.

2. If the LED resistance is higher (probably is by a lot) then connect a resistor in parallel with the LED (or the hot and ground of the lamp socket)

Use this or a similar calculator so the resistance of the LED/resistor combination matches the resistance of the original light bulb:
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/parallel-resistance-calculator/

To calculate the power the rating for the resistor using (P)ower, and (Voltage):
P=IV, where I=V/R, P=V²/R

Or just use this.

https://www.amplifiedparts.com/tech-articles/resistor-power-rating


With a resistor in parallel, the load that the cruise control or blinker relay sees will be the same and the CC or blinker relay should be happy about that and work as designed.

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Finally: PLEASE USE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE UNITS THROUGHOUT YOUR CALCULATIONS, AND ENTER NUMBERS CONSISTENT WITH THE UNITS WEB OF ANY CALCULATORS YOU USE. GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT.
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Old 12-28-2020, 04:29 PM
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These are the type of questions you will only see on an old mercedes forum lol...
I suppose I should have asked this in a different way.

Does changing the brake light bulb to an LED, which has a lower resistance value, affect the function of the cruise control's release when applying the brakes?

The lecture on Ohm's Law was nice but did not answer the question. There are too many variables in the system's circuit (age of wiring, corrosion, etc.) to accurately estimate the true resistance either required by the system or existent.

A "yes" or "no" answer would be much more useful to a future reader of this forum.
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:03 PM
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I suppose I should have asked this in a different way.

Does changing the brake light bulb to an LED, which has a lower resistance value, affect the function of the cruise control's release when applying the brakes?

The lecture on Ohm's Law was nice but did not answer the question. There are too many variables in the system's circuit (age of wiring, corrosion, etc.) to accurately estimate the true resistance either required by the system or existent.

A "yes" or "no" answer would be much more useful to a future reader of this forum.
What Moon was trying to say is that unless the LED light bulb you install has a loading resistor, it will screw up your cruise control. If the LED doesn't have a loading resistor, you can calculate the value you need and add it across the LED.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:07 PM
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LED's also make your blinkers blink fast unless you put a resistor across them.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:09 PM
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And LED's have a higher resistance, that's why they use less current and less power. They look like an open circuit to the flasher relay and the blinkers cycle fast like when you have a burned out bulb on your blinkers.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:30 PM
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Meant to say lower voltage requirement.

Trying to type while fending off a sixty pound dog who is convinced he is still a puppy who can fit in my lap leads to distraction.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:38 PM
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great responses so far, thanks! I learned that I was looking in the wrong area (behind the hinged panel that hides the jack, first-aid kit, etc.). I stupidly realized that I needed to remove the 2 nuts that appear on the trim panel closest to the hatch opening-they attach to bolts that are part of the taillight lens/bulb contraption.

Strangely, I had been unable to find photos of this procedure on the internet....unfortunately, I forgot to take any myself!

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