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Lenovolost 04-30-2021 01:49 AM

Very Lose Steering wheel
 
84 300D recently completed a front end rebuild on the car in hopes to get a firm steering wheel
  • Guide Rod mount
  • lower control arm bushings
  • upper control arm bushings
  • idle arm bushing
  • tie rods
  • drag link
  • steering shock absorber
  • ball joint

    REAR
  • Differential mount
  • Subframe bushings
  • Tranny mount
  • rear shocks 20k miles bilstein



However, I still notice that the steering wheel seems to feel loose, not loose like going to fall off, but when driving it has some "Sway" and inch to the left and right. And it constantly sways back and fourth, making it feel very loose. It turns and movves fine, but while the wheel is dead center, is has this weird sway of an inch or two in each direction. When it moves in each direction, the wheels dont move, thats why it feels so loose! Adjusting the box doesn't seem to much. Flex disc? Any ideas

Thanks!

JohnLeCar 04-30-2021 02:22 AM

Have you tried a valve adjustment?
Think a compression test might be in order.

Lenovolost 04-30-2021 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnLeCar (Post 4162339)
Have you tried a valve adjustment?
Think a compression test might be in order.

anyone else who is not clinically insane?

Rogviler 04-30-2021 04:02 AM

Hey, that's the standard fix for everything around here. :2thumbsup

It's probably your steering box though. The posts after this one will be telling you not to adjust your steering box. But if you want to adjust your steering box, you loosen the nut on top, then turn the allen-headed screw counter-clockwise until the steering is tighter but not so tight that it binds up. I did that about 10 years ago to mine and haven't had an issue since.

Or you could get a new or rebuilt steering box. Just don't adjust it or the car will burst into flames.

EDIT: I saw that you did try adjusting it. You might as well go farther with trying to adjust it and if you go all the way and it's still loose then it's definitely worn out, which happens.

bkc 04-30-2021 04:08 AM

Sometimes it can be the rear end causing such symptoms. It feels like the front, but is actually the rear. Check rear shocks, rear swaybar, etc. Could be something simple.

barry12345 04-30-2021 04:08 AM

Steering coupling? May need two people to check it out. There is always a little play in recirculating ball steering boxes. Compared to rack and pinion. Steering box could be excessivly worn as well.

Lenovolost 04-30-2021 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkc (Post 4162342)
Sometimes it can be the rear end causing such symptoms. It feels like the front, but is actually the rear. Check rear shocks, rear swaybar, etc. Could be something simple.

I wasn't aware the rear end could have an effect on the steering. Il check things out in the PM

Clemson88 04-30-2021 05:38 AM

Obviously,
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenovolost (Post 4162340)
anyone else who is not clinically insane?

The first thing you do is clean out the lint trap then unplug and replug the machine.

t walgamuth 04-30-2021 08:45 AM

Rogover is right in my opinion. If adjusting it did not work I bet you didn't do it correctly. The center screw must be turned anticlockwise to remove free play. I have adjusted these boxes with over 300K miles and gotten them sweet.

Diseasel300 04-30-2021 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkc (Post 4162342)
Sometimes it can be the rear end causing such symptoms. It feels like the front, but is actually the rear. Check rear shocks, rear swaybar, etc. Could be something simple.

I'll second this advice. My 560SEL had a good 2" of slop in the steering when I got it, all over the road and borderline unsafe in crosswinds at highway speed. Rebuilding the front end got it down to 1.5" or so, but when I redid the rear, it's now under an inch. No adjustment to the steering box at all. Car never wanders or weaves. Subframe bushings make a HUGE difference on how stable the car is on the road.

Alignment matters too. You want the toe as close to zero as you can get it. I've found with the 126 anyway, that positive toe (even a tiny bit) will make the car wander on a crowned or sloped road and you'll feel like you're rocking the wheel all the time.

psaboic 04-30-2021 09:38 AM

In all seriousness, if you check the rear end, just spend the money and replace the rear sway bar links. They may look ok but odds are the ball joint ends are loose and worn. They are not that expensive and are easy to remove/replace. Might want to take a look at the rear differential mount as well. Again, easy to replace.

t walgamuth 04-30-2021 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Diseasel300 (Post 4162380)
I'll second this advice. My 560SEL had a good 2" of slop in the steering when I got it, all over the road and borderline unsafe in crosswinds at highway speed. Rebuilding the front end got it down to 1.5" or so, but when I redid the rear, it's now under an inch. No adjustment to the steering box at all. Car never wanders or weaves. Subframe bushings make a HUGE difference on how stable the car is on the road.

Alignment matters too. You want the toe as close to zero as you can get it. I've found with the 126 anyway, that positive toe (even a tiny bit) will make the car wander on a crowned or sloped road and you'll feel like you're rocking the wheel all the time.

Sure, but first try adjusting the box. It's free of charge.

barry12345 04-30-2021 10:57 AM

Typically rear end steer is detectable as you come on and off the power. The steering of the vehicle changes.

I agree with the others as well. To tighen a steering box It seems counter intuitive to seemingly back off the adjustment.

Diseasel300 04-30-2021 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 4162388)
Sure, but first try adjusting the box. It's free of charge.

Except that the adjustment on the MB box is not a slop adjustment, it's a lash adjustment. It preloads the gearset. If the box is wasted, all you're gonna do is make it tight and wear it out even faster. My experience with these cars to date has been that 90% of the slop in the steering is suspension. Once all the worn out crap is replaced, the slop left in the steering is normal for recirculating ball steering systems. Jumping straight to ruining the steering box instead of fixing the underlying issues is a band-aid fix and will come back to bite your ass later down the road.

bkc 04-30-2021 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry12345 (Post 4162393)
Typically rear end steer is detectable as you come on and off the power. The steering of the vehicle changes.

I agree with the others as well. To tighen a steering box It seems counter intuitive to seemingly back off the adjustment.

When one of my w124s was wandering all over, it did it even when just maintaining a speed. If it had happened when accelerating or decelerating, I would have caught the true problem a lot earlier. It was letting the rear end dance to the surface texture of the road, pretty much, which felt like steering issues. Replacing a couple of the mulitlinks and/or their bushings fixed it beautifully. On my w115, it was when the rear shocks were weakening. Replaced those and steering has been great for years.


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