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Old 06-07-2021, 06:15 PM
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Post Cooling System Pressure

Oops , I forgot ! :

Every pound of pressure added to the cooling system raises the boiling point by three degrees, that's for plain water so obviously running a good 60/40 % mix means a few pounds pressure is all you'll ever need .

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Old 06-07-2021, 06:19 PM
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Btw where are you getting 60/40?
I’ve seen you mention it many times.

I’m running classic 50/50.
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Old 06-07-2021, 06:51 PM
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Post Coolant Mix

By experience and from the various trade journals .

I'm sure 50/50 is fine .

I change it every two years rather than by mileage .
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The more water to coolant you have the better the cooling.

In hot climates you can easily run 30% coolant to 70% water because the coolant is there mostly to prevent corrosion
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Old 06-07-2021, 08:36 PM
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Time has shown tha less than 40 % coolant is a bad mistake .

I also use only distilled water because the local tap water is *very* mineral heavy .

The upside is : local micro beer brewers love the tap water .

My toilet and 1923 kitchen sink, not so much .

I can't get the rust stains out of my 5 year old $uper expen$ive toilet...
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Old 06-08-2021, 02:11 AM
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Temp sits at 82C 95% of the time.
On hot days however (hot days defined as anything above 30C/ 85F), highway runs above 65mph will bring me up to around 100C. If I'm running AC, 105C. This goes for extended grades during average temps as well.

Normal. Nothing to worry about.
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Old 06-08-2021, 03:47 PM
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Time has shown tha less than 40 % coolant is a bad mistake .

I also use only distilled water because the local tap water is *very* mineral heavy .

The upside is : local micro beer brewers love the tap water .

My toilet and 1923 kitchen sink, not so much .

I can't get the rust stains out of my 5 year old $uper expen$ive toilet...
When you're in the desert, running AC, traveling what I'm assuming would be around 65, what temps are you seeing?
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In hot climates you can easily run 30% coolant to 70% water because the coolant is there mostly to prevent corrosion
Here is a quote from a non-Mercedes service manual (vehicle has a cast iron engine and uses HOAT coolant):

50/50 Ethylene-Glycol and Water-Is the recommended
mixture, it provides protection against freezing
to -37°C (-34°F). The antifreeze concentration
must always be a minimum of 44 percent
, yearround
in all climates. If percentage is lower, engine
parts may be eroded by cavitation.

One more thing to consider: if you aren't measuring your coolant concentration with a refractometer, your concentration probably isn't what you think it is.
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Here is a quote from a non-Mercedes service manual (vehicle has a cast iron engine and uses HOAT coolant):

50/50 Ethylene-Glycol and Water-Is the recommended
mixture, it provides protection against freezing
to -37°C (-34°F). The antifreeze concentration
must always be a minimum of 44 percent
, yearround
in all climates. If percentage is lower, engine
parts may be eroded by cavitation.

One more thing to consider: if you aren't measuring your coolant concentration with a refractometer, your concentration probably isn't what you think it is.
And what's the service interval for coolant in it? Because if it's over 2 years then yes you need a higher coolant ratio.

If you change it every 2 years and you don't let the car sit then 30% antifreeze is fine in hot climates.

I found this manufacturer of coolants saying that minimum they require for all of their coolants is 33%

https://www.peakoil.com.au/automotive-coolants/
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Worth checking between condenser and radiator for dirt and leaves. If the electric cooling fan has a shroud, check that shroud as well for dirt and leaves.

Is the hydraulic clutch on the cooling fan still operational? While you are throwing parts at it...
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Worth checking between condenser and radiator for dirt and leaves. If the electric cooling fan has a shroud, check that shroud as well for dirt and leaves.

Is the hydraulic clutch on the cooling fan still operational? While you are throwing parts at it...
on a 240D there is no fan clutch the fan is bolted directly to the water pump pulley
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Old 06-08-2021, 06:08 PM
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Post Operating Temps

In the Desert at freeway speeds of 65 MPH +/- with the AC on I see 85 ~ 100* C .

It creeps up when I go uphills, never ever reaches the red zone of the temperature guge .
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I probably spent longer than you and tried everything, even removing the Tstat housing to search for blockage (a rag I forgot). My 1985 300D would creep up to 95 C at 2 min stoplights. Of course I tried water pumps (2), T-stats (2), flushed the system with citric acid, flushed radiator, another used radiator (flushed first). Finally installed a new radiator since price had dropped from $350 to $150. No more problems. I tore open the old radiator and found some of the tubes blocked with a thin layer of yellow oxides. I had run a long stainless grill brush across them (in car), but apparently didn't work. Of course my engine could have a slight problem like a cracked head and the new aluminum radiator cools better than the OE copper to hide that.

My 1984 300D had the opposite problem, running at 60 C. A new T-stat fixed that. I tested the old T-stat in a pot of hot water and it seemed to work, but careful testing showed it opened slightly too soon and responded more sluggishly than others in the pot.
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Old 06-08-2021, 07:01 PM
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Thanks for the replies folks.

I'm mostly within range, just a little beyond.
Whenever I change coolant and flush the system, I always remove the radiator and give it and the condenser a good cleaning.

I do have a fair bit of fin corrosion -or whatever this is called on aluminum. Kind of a gritty, sandy looking oxide on the tips of maybe 35% of the fins.
I don't know how much, if any, efficiency is lost due to this.

At least once a month, I take a nine hour drive up to Northern California.
June-Sept, that means 9 hours at 105C. Yes, it's under red, but it does make me nervous and I keep a hawk eye on these gauges.
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... that means 9 hours at 105C...
If there's one MB that can take the heat it's the 240D. Short cast iron head/block makes for a heat resistant design.

If it was my car I'd never drive it like this because sooner or later somethings gotta give. My 2c

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