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LarryBible 02-22-2004 09:56 AM

I feel that I should point something out here for all you 123 diesel modifiers.

The early 123 diesels (77 to about 80) have different manual transmissions, thus different bolt patterns on the transmissions than the late 123 diesels (about 80 'til the end of the series.) For this reason you need to make sure that you use the adapter plate for the transmission that you are using. This adapter plate bolts to the engine with four bolts that require flywheel removal to access. Then the transmission bolts to this plate.

Even the incorrect adapter will bolt up by leaving out a few bolts, but will not accurately center the transmission. This COULD cause pilot bearing problems and rapid input shaft bearing wear.

Have a great day,

TomJ 02-23-2004 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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what i need: pin that holds the clutch and brake pedals to
the bracket,

That should be an integral part with the pedal assy? Were you not able to get a complete manual pedal assy?? LMK, I can probably procure what you need or you could probably order from Rusty (even if not on his or Fastlane's site, they can still order the factory parts.)


Quote:

Originally posted by notlostmaybe
......


metal pipe and connectors that run from the
master cylinder to the slave cylinder, plastic hose and
joint that runs fron the master cylinder to the brake resovoir,

Brake line is what runs from the clutch master to the conn at the flex hose to the slave, but you can order ALL the above parts from the dealer or Fastlane/Rusty for suprisingly less than you'd think. The hose from the clutch master to the brake master is std MB rubber hose, they use a narrow fuel line (what the MB parts manual calls for), check a local dealer for about 3' of it (runs through the multi-grommet near the fuse box.)



Quote:

Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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a new throwout bearing, a pilot bearing, clutch and pressure
plate, flywheel, 12- star bolts to the flywheel, tranny rubber
mount, grease, locktite, new bolts, new bushings.

Again, get from Fastlane or Rusty, they can get all to you for a GREAT price, just ordered another clutch set for a 240 I'm currently working on. For the 12pt flywheel bolts, they are expensive from the parts houses, but the ones on the Auto flywheel are the same, just re-use those from the vehicle you're putting this mod into and locktite them.


Quote:

Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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not sure of the back up light setup.

Use the conn/harness from the auto trans (conns at center console low on drivers side) and re-solder for a clutch safety switch (I used a brake light switch from the same vehicle for the clutch) and wire that to the neutral safety. The back-up switch will mount in the bracket on the manual shifter assy, no brainer, but email if you need to figure out the wiring, I went through all of this and made notes on how to re-wire so everything (back-up lights, safety, etc. works like a factory manual tranny.


Quote:

Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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havent found the car yet. almost bought one and a parts
car today, but the guy tried to cheat me on the title and registration. depending on what i get, might need a different
brake pedal, and if the car is old enough, a different brake
resovoir with the clutch nipple.


Everyone I've seen so far (123 body) has a nipple on the brake master cyl, you just snip off the capped end.


Quote:

Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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will probably do the job by dropping the subframe, lifting
the body instead for pulling the engine. (will not again
pull a tranny with the engine in) this way it will be easy to change
all the underbody rubber, replace bad engine gaskets, do
the brakes, etc.

What?? Maybe I'm not understanding what you want to do, but no need to pull the engine at all, just like doing a clutch job (as far as under chassis anyway). About 1.2 hours to get the tranny out from below. If you "must" change the bushings, engine seals/gaskets, then I guess that would work, but seems like you're going to more trouble that it's worth (then again...., I'm CONSTANTLY accused of THAT!)

Quote:

Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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would like to do this with a w115 using a 300turbo. will possibly
require movement of the oil filter and fabrication of a fitting
and bracket, a different or hammered oil pan, modify the
wheel well if the turbo is in the way and realine the exhaust
flex pipe.



Ohhhh..., OK, I get where you're going, not a bad idea.


Quote:

Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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what the project will really require i havent a clue, but if i dont
rush, keep my head and dont cheap out, it will turn out
fine. this has been my experience when going into the
unknown.


Absolutely true. If I'd've read this last sentence first, I probably would not have replied. You'll do just fine with it and it will turn out perfect in the end I'm sure. Keep us up to date and for GADS sakes show us pics as you go!!!!


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Originally posted by notlostmaybe
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this site need a spell checker:)

Agree totally, this site NEEDS a speeelll chicker!!

silverfishk8 02-23-2004 04:26 PM

i did a conversion for a guy this past winter. a shop quoted him $2300 for the job, and i charged him $1500. if your car really is a prime specimen, than it would be worth it. if not just go buy a 240d with a manual already.

good luck.

flash123 07-18-2004 12:32 AM

I'm still scratching my head. It sounds like a lot of hassle.

I bought a 69 115 220D for $200. Good engine and trans. Well I guess you can argue about a 2.2 being a good engine, but it will last a long time. I wanted a spare trans.

Then I changed my mind and decided that the W115 has much too much class to chop up and discard, so now I have a project car instead.

I saw a fintail pickup at Metric Motors in Reno. Wow what a trip. The guy dropped a rear window behind the front seat and covered the back seat with a snap on cover. Then he dissapeared the back doors. The mother in law has to climb over the body to sit in the back seat. Sharp car, it's for sale.

The W115 into a pick-up is a winter project. Fenders and doors from a boneyard, and fabricated pickup bed. Of course if I come across a 69 Mustang fastback rear deck, all bets are off. Whoa! I just visualised a 69 W115 220D with a fastback rear deck.

So I bought a 77 240D for a spare trans. Also paid $200. After I got home I washed off the crud and found a beautiful straight, rust free body. Damn, another project car. Won't start, but I have a spare 2.4 anyway.

The point is that I found two cars with manual trans in a few weeks for less than it would have cost for a used transmission. I think that would be easier to repair than a to convert.

Off topic!

How about putting a five cylinder 3.0 in front of a clutch? Anybody done that? That would be sporty. At least you can't already buy one original equip.

Zeppo2K2 10-27-2008 12:08 AM

I'm with you Flash123. I have a $250 1969 230 gas with stuck engine. The body and inside are excellent. I plan to put in a great running engine from a 300D with bad body, and add a 4spd from a rusty, low compression 220D. Both the 300D and 220D will get crushed after a strip party. All 3 cars cost about $1K (I did some swapping, that's why the "about".) Ron

flash123 10-27-2008 01:00 AM

it has been four years since my post

how time flies

the 240 d still sits there
and it has been about 3 years since the 220d has been started

ray m 10-27-2008 01:18 AM

If you're any where near South Louisiana I've got a 1982 240 manual for sale dented right 1/4 but all body parts are here . weld it paint it,It will be sell able at $4'000. NO rust, No leaks A/C worked excellent upon accident. Heater was great also. This was MY baby but had to get another car when it was hit. couldn't wait. Interior excellent, Dash complete no aging,upholstery all good no tears. My favorite is the manual windows and manual roof. Will let it go for $700.00. I have all the body parts to fix it but haven't the time
PM me if you're around here or want pic's.

flash123 10-27-2008 01:25 AM

Winnemucca Nevada

bgkast 10-27-2008 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LarryBible (Post 571483)
I feel that I should point something out here for all you 123 diesel modifiers.

The early 123 diesels (77 to about 80) have different manual transmissions, thus different bolt patterns on the transmissions than the late 123 diesels (about 80 'til the end of the series.) For this reason you need to make sure that you use the adapter plate for the transmission that you are using. This adapter plate bolts to the engine with four bolts that require flywheel removal to access. Then the transmission bolts to this plate.

Even the incorrect adapter will bolt up by leaving out a few bolts, but will not accurately center the transmission. This COULD cause pilot bearing problems and rapid input shaft bearing wear.

Have a great day,



I know this post is several years old, but I believe it is wrong. The early and late transmissions are different, but both should bolt up fine.

ForcedInduction 10-27-2008 02:05 AM

The auto and manual plates were identical between my 240D and 300TD.

bgkast 10-27-2008 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForcedInduction (Post 2003802)
The auto and manual plates were identical between my 240D and 300TD.

Yes, mine too between a 617.950 and the early cast-iron 4 speed

charmalu 01-05-2009 06:56 PM

Soooo, if the plates are the same auto and manual, then when I get around to installing
the 4 speed manual into my cali. 85, I can use the same plate and still use the tach.

The cali plate has the sensor mounted to pick up the signal from the flywheel.

I did read on another thread that the plates have the same part#.

Charlie

lutzTD 01-05-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charmalu (Post 2068781)
Soooo, if the plates are the same auto and manual, then when I get around to installing
the 4 speed manual into my cali. 85, I can use the same plate and still use the tach.

The cali plate has the sensor mounted to pick up the signal from the flywheel.

I did read on another thread that the plates have the same part#.

Charlie


but will the 240D flywheel have the sensor post? I dont remember seeing anything on my flywheel. the harmonic damper on mine has a small post sticking out for the RPM sensor

Stevo 01-05-2009 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhbecker (Post 570128)
How do I find an expert MB mechanic to convert my '82 240D to a manual transmission? I recently had a reman MB engine installed. Several responders to my auto trans problem have recommended a conversion.

Heres what could work for you. Find your self a fairly nice manual 240D and sell your auto car, ...OR swap engines/trannys and sell the "fairly nice" 240D with the auto. That is if the auto car you have now is really exceptional, body, suspension, interior etc.., otherwise just look for a nice manual 240D
The older split case tranny will bolt right up, but the throw out bearing my be different.

ray m 01-05-2009 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray m (Post 2003786)
If you're any where near South Louisiana I've got a 1982 240 manual for sale dented right 1/4 but all body parts are here . weld it paint it,It will be sell able at $4'000. NO rust, No leaks A/C worked excellent upon accident. Heater was great also. This was MY baby but had to get another car when it was hit. couldn't wait. Interior excellent, Dash complete no aging,upholstery all good no tears. My favorite is the manual windows and manual roof. Will let it go for $700.00. I have all the body parts to fix it but haven't the time
PM me if you're around here or want pic's.

It's either this or the pull apart lot or something and that would be against my grain


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