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Old 03-26-2004, 08:36 AM
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Non turbo 5cyl stumbles just after startup

I have a 240D manual that was converted to a 5cyl non turbo. The car starts and idles smooth for about 5 seconds, then starts to stumble just enough to make the car shake really bad. If I rev it up a little, it runs smooth. The GPs are new, and it has a new set of rebuilt injectors. The valves have been adjusted. Once it warms up a little, it is okay.

Any ideas? Thanks.

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Old 03-26-2004, 09:25 AM
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rtykw2,

Sounds like the idle speed adjustment is not set correctly. If the idle speed drops too low the engine mounting system natural frequency may coincide with the reduced engine vibrating frequencies. This causes the engine mounting system to amplify rather than attenuate these vibrations. Or, the mounts themselves may be aging, which stiffens them and raises their natural frequency and leads to the same issue.

240D's have a manual idle speed adjustment knob on the dash next to the steering wheel (left of it). I think non-turbo charged 300Ds had the same things. If you did not hook it up when you made the transition, it is feasible this idle speed adjustment is at the heart of the problem you are experiencing. When it is cold out my 240D idle speed goes from a low that can barely support the engine idling to, when fully advanced and I get a reasonable idle when cold, it responds with a very high idle when warm. You have to be careful not to adjust the idle speed too high when cold or it will run away when the engine warms up, which is not a good thing.

Good luck and I hope this helps. Jim

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