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Old 06-22-2004, 12:38 PM
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Question stupid primer pump question

Did a search and found lots of info on the primer pump.

Car sitting for over a year...

Mine appears to be dry. As soon as I unscrewed it and pulled it back there was fuel already in the pump. I started pumping and it feels like it's pumping up but the outside of the pump plunger/shaft/cylinder thing is wet with fuel.

From all the posts I've read, these things should not leak at all or air gets into the system.

Am I to understand that when you pull the pump plunger back it should be bone dry all the time?

Or is the presence of fuel on the plunger shaft ok as long as the primer pump does not leak fuel when it is screwed down/in or squirt/spray fuel when the plunger is pushed in?

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Old 06-22-2004, 12:44 PM
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To put it simply; you should never get any fuel on your hands at any time while operating this pump. They can suck air and are cheap to replace.

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Old 06-22-2004, 12:58 PM
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Called Auto Zone, Pep Boys, O'Riely, etc...no one even lists this item.

Any source besides the dealer?

No fuel on the hands...okay. I thought maybe the shaft might be a little wet to lubricate the pump. Sounds like wishfull thinking on my part.

If the primer pump is leaking, will the engine never start or run? Will it even fire or sputter? Or does it depend on the severity of the leak so that it may still start, just run like crap and die.

I'm hoping to here it fire just once for a little encouragement before I begin buying parts.

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Old 06-22-2004, 01:00 PM
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Fastlane should have them.

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Old 06-22-2004, 01:09 PM
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Fastlane? is that a retail parts store or internet place?
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Old 06-22-2004, 01:15 PM
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At the top of the page, third tab from the left. The are one of the sources of income for this wonderful web site. Partsman Phil is great and the parts are usually delivered quickly. Cost for your pump should be somewhere in the ballpark of $12.
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Old 06-22-2004, 01:18 PM
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Odie,

I just noticed from your posts that you are a newbie. Welcome aboard. Fast Lane is part of this web site. When people buy parts from MercedesShop.com part of the money goes to fund this web site. You should be able to go to the home page and click on fast lane.


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Old 06-22-2004, 01:56 PM
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Welcome odie!

I have found that all of the local parts places are useless when trying to get parts for my car. Autozone lists light bulbs, thats about it. Order your parts from Fastlane or Phil, I have placed many orders with both and have been extremly happy with the level of service I get. You also get good German parts not cheap aftermarket crap, half the stuff I get is OE because their is no aftermarket part. Also only use German oil filters they are better.
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Old 06-22-2004, 02:50 PM
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A small leakage at the primer pump may not necessarily prevent it from starting, although it will not run right if it's sucking air. Generally speaking, if the main fuel filter is full and you have a good battery and good glow plugs, you should be able to get it started.

Here's a little tip on replacing the primer pump. If you disconnect the prefilter, the nipple on top of the pump where the prefilter hose connects can be unscrewed. Taking that off will allow you more room to get a wrench on the bottom of the primer pump.
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I'll bring in a fresh battery and a couple gallons of diesel tomorrow and see if I can get it started. If it runs, game on! Filters, primer, fluids, etc...
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Old 06-22-2004, 10:11 PM
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Well, my primer pump started leaking and the car is hard to start, so I guess it's draining down. can you pull the pump and replace the gasket? I've never used the pump and it wasn't screwed on too tight, but it's leaking where the pump fits to the housing. Thanks to all that can help.
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Old 06-22-2004, 10:17 PM
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Odie,

You've been keeping secrets. You didn't say the car didn't start. Replacing the hand pump may not solve your problem. Do not use ether and glow plugs to start the car. Use a battery charger or good jumper cables. If it doesn't start, post again, because there are other tricks.

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Old 06-22-2004, 10:35 PM
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fj,

Are you sure the leak is at the bottom?
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Old 06-22-2004, 11:43 PM
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odie, to start off, get yourself the two new diesel filters (the small plastic one and the larger screw-on filter)

Also check out my thread of the new primer pump, its well worth it and its cheap:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=92728&highlight=adiel


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Well, my primer pump started leaking and the car is hard to start, so I guess it's draining down. can you pull the pump and replace the gasket?
You don't need to replace the gasket, just get the new primer pump, it comes with a new gasket. Like someone mentioned here it's around $12 and it is a BOSCH brand part totally re-designed so you can't go wrong. Also, like they mentioned on here, it's alot better to get stuff for these Mercedes online like at FASTLANE or RUSTY. (I dont work for neither of these two companies) Local autoparts do not carry this stuff.

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Old 06-23-2004, 09:03 AM
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As Fastlane do not send parts overseas, I cannot use Rusty's services. I would if I could, because this is one COOL site.
I simply went to my closest Injector service centre and purchased a new priming pump for my Bosch IP. They handed over the little black cylinder and I handed over Aus$21.

As the lift pump is awkward to access to replace the primer, I removed the hoses and the 2 nuts from the lift pump and took it into the workshop to fit the new primer.
Took less than 1/2 hour in total.

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