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Old 07-05-2004, 03:50 PM
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Specs on the Cummings Diesel vs. Ford Power Stroke

Anyone know the H.P. and the Torque ratings of the Cummings vs. Ford Power Stroke?

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Old 07-05-2004, 03:55 PM
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Which years? The rated horsepower's changed a few times, not to mention Ford's replacement of the 7.3l with a 6.0l in '03.



Also, it's CUMMINS, not CUMMINGS...just FYI
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Old 07-05-2004, 04:01 PM
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Current models 2004
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Old 07-05-2004, 04:16 PM
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The '04 Cummins puts out 325 hp and 600 ft-lbs of torque. The 6.0l also puts out 325 hp, and 560 ft-lbs of torque.

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Old 07-05-2004, 04:19 PM
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Ddoge Cummins HO turbodiesel: High Output 325 hp / 600 lb.-ft. of torque

Ford Powerstroke: Horsepower (SAE net @ rpm) 325@3300 & Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 560@2000
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Old 07-05-2004, 11:55 PM
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All other things being equal (horsepower & torque ratings), longevity and legacy should enter into a discussion about these diesel engines. I'll go for the manufacturer whose primary business is designing and building diesel engines over a truck manufacturer whose sideline business is manufacturing small diesel engines. One might find it interesting that one of the primary suppliers of diesel engines for International's Class 7 & 8 trucks is Cummins.
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Cummins invented the modern diesel engine. They were the first to make it small enough to be practical for a car or truck.

The Navstar 6.8 and 7.3 go back decades as workhorses in IH combines and farm equipment.

All this is irrelevent! If you are buying the here and now, don't sweat the there and then. Both companies build good engines. I have no idea about the newer Navstar, but if it holds up as well as the two 7.3's I own, you have nothing to worry about.

This is horse country. Horse owners around here that haul large stock trailers are split over Dodge and Ford, with Ford taking a significant lead. These are people who keep their trucks for a while. Chevys diesels are a novelty. I can't remember the last time I saw a running 6.5 or 6.2.

In the past Dodge has built a pretty lousy truck. I do not think that this is the case nearly as much in the last few years. I don't know when I last saw a Dodge diesel more than 10 years old. Fords, like my '93, and even the 6.8s from the '80's are common. They still earn their keep hauling heavy loads. The older Navstars are not nearly as powerfull or as durable as the newer ones, but there are still a lot of them hanging in there. I don't sweat when my wife hauls a half dozen horses over the Sierras with our '93 Ford. It's slow, it only has a fraction of the power of a newer one, but It will get there.

Remember, if you are buying a truck, evaluate the truck. The engine is an important part, but still it is just a part of the truck. Don't even think about buying a truck with a Chrysler built transmission.

If you judge the vehicles by past performance, the Ford is the clear winner, but I don't think the newer Dodges are near as bad as they were, when they started using the Cummins engines.
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Cummins invented the modern diesel engine. They were the first to make it small enough to be practical for a car or truck.

The Navstar 6.8 and 7.3 go back decades as workhorses in IH combines and farm equipment.

All this is irrelevent! If you are buying the here and now, don't sweat the there and then. Both companies build good engines. I have no idea about the newer Navstar, but if it holds up as well as the two 7.3's I own, you have nothing to worry about.

This is horse country. Horse owners around here that haul large stock trailers are split over Dodge and Ford, with Ford taking a significant lead. These are people who keep their trucks for a while. Chevys diesels are a novelty. I can't remember the last time I saw a running 6.5 or 6.2.

In the past Dodge has built a pretty lousy truck. I do not think that this is the case nearly as much in the last few years. I don't know when I last saw a Dodge diesel more than 10 years old. Fords, like my '93, and even the 6.8s from the '80's are common. They still earn their keep hauling heavy loads. The older Navstars are not nearly as powerfull or as durable as the newer ones, but there are still a lot of them hanging in there. I don't sweat when my wife hauls a half dozen horses over the Sierras with our '93 Ford. It's slow, it only has a fraction of the power of a newer one, but It will get there.

Remember, if you are buying a truck, evaluate the truck. The engine is an important part, but still it is just a part of the truck. Don't even think about buying a truck with a Chrysler built transmission.

If you judge the vehicles by past performance, the Ford is the clear winner, but I don't think the newer Dodges are near as bad as they were, when they started using the Cummins engines.
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I have heard that Ford now owns Cummins, and will be offering Powerstroke AND Cummins engines. Dodge is supposedly going with a Mercedes diesel. Anyone else hear this?
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Ford did own Cummins. I believe that relationship ended some time ago.

Irony: Ford owded Cummins and bought IH engines for it's trucks.

Check out the Dodge Sprinter, based on a van Mercedes makes for Federal Express. Not avalable in California. Nice looking truck. Also available in a 10 passenger van.

Irony; Mercedes, one of the largest diesel engine manufacturers in the world, and part owners of Mitsubishi, another giant diesel engine builder, still buys engines from Cummins.

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