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Dear TomJ,
I just sent you the funds for five to your netscape address.I hope you have enough interest to make the order.Thanks,Henry

This has raised my curiorsity. I have a 1981 240D which I am sure is pre Oct 1981 for the SD 240 versus SD 240/ cutover. What happens if I put a SD 240/ nozzle in a old pre Oct 1981 engine ?

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1981 240D
1985 300D (wrecked)
1985 300TD 365,000 miles
1969 Mustang Fastback

ALL of the older nozzles were superceded by the 240/, so any "rebuilt" injector you buy will have the 240/ in it (of course Deagle will have anything but reality to say about it - call around yourself and find out!)

Also, three long-time shops have said there is ZERO difference between the 240 and the 240/ (again, in contrast to what Deagle claims) and for what I've seen, the pintles are the same (identical in every way INCLUDING DIAMETER) and the nozzle orifice is identical diameter. The pop, spray and volume are also identical according to everyone I've spoken to about it trying to get to the bottom of it. Only diff one shop claims is it was a material change. All the other shops say ZERO difference and that they just use what is spec'd for 240's and 300's (NA and turbo both), which is the 240/.

So, to answer, just use the 240/ nozzles (that's if you NEED new nozzles, if not, the 240 will work fine, just balance them well.)

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"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there". Lewis Carrol

Is there a shelf life for injectors? I had 4 dealership Bosch injectors for the 240D, sitting in my toolbox for about 2 years before I finally installed them. Got them in and drove the car a few days before returning it to my stepfather. It ran 100% better then it had been running. He drove it for two days and on the third day after he went to leave work, it wouldn't start. They finally got it started and the next day he drove it uptown to a flea market. Definitly wouldn't start at all this time. I went out to where it was and tried everything I could think of doing. It would sputter a little here and there and finally, only cranking.

Is it possible the new injectors are to blame, only 1 week after being installed?
I'm going to take the old injectors with me this weekend just in case when I go over to visit and put the new fast glow plugs in it (old bosch ones were a couple years old)

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1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350

After it only cranks with no sputtering, remove the fuel cap and see if you hear a vaccum from the tank (air rushing in for a second). If you do, chances are you have a clogged tank vent. Behaves very much like this. If it ran good for a couple days I wouldn't think the injectors were at fault. You might check and make sure you don't have any leaks in the fuel system under the hood where air be pulled into the system. This is a possibility after you disturbed the fuel system installing the injectors.

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83 300TD
78 240D (daughter)

Beagle I cant find the new thread you said you were going to start "I will answer your questions in a new thread, as Tomj demands, entitled ‘Bosch injector nozzle alternatives’ either tomorrow or Monday." This subject interests me greatly but I can’t seem to find your thread any place could you give me a hint to find it sometimes I can be a bit dense and miss the obvious any help would be greatly appreciated.
Awaiting your help
DHS

Yeah I was thinking about this, it was cold and windy when I tried to start it before and in a parking lot with out any of my stuff. I should have it running this sunday.

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1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350

I don't know if you noticed that this thread is from last year and I don't think Beagle has posted since then.

Since I have had the chance to use both Indian and German made BOSCH nozzles on my OM 616 n/a as well as turbo engines, my experience with the German BOSCH was pretty shortlived as they just could not handle the local fuel here, they wore out in under 35000 miles whereas the Indian made ones are still running at over 200,000 miles.

By the way,each and every MB, Toyota, Cummins, HINO sold here and elsewhere use the so called CRAP INDIAN made injectors, hope I am wrong but I do detect a strong sense or bias in the assertion that BOSCH India is somehow inferior to BOSCH Germany, if so, then I guess BOSCH is to be blamed for it as they have been around here since the early sixties, just like ZF, Goetze, Mahle and other components including MB and other engines as well.

OOPS I did not notice it was a year old but I seem to have resurrected it. I will have to make my own judgment on beagle’s information based on his ability or inability to post as he said he would.
Dave S

Hey, I'll be out in SJ in a few weeks, we should get together for a brew. LMK if you need any injector parts too, I'm flying, but could bring stuff out.

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1983 300D - parts car

1979 300TD Auto - Parts car.

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The only bias is from experience, but it is encouraging that the quality is getting better.

Since they've been made there so long, I'll bet the issue was with Bosch moving ALL the production from France, Germany, Brazil, etc. to the India plant and for a while they just could not keep up with a quadrupling of production and quality went down. They seem to be getting ramped up though, I finally came up with 5 good nozzles out of 8 that I ordered a week ago (last year I had a few that were missing the cross-drilled hole entirely, had the center hold, but it was blind, nothing to feed it.)

Hope they come back up to the old stds in quality, that would help me immeasurably (though I'm getting burned out on the injector making biz already)

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1984 300D Turbo - 4-speed manual conversion, mid-level resto

1983 300D - parts car

1979 300TD Auto - Parts car.

1985 300D Auto - Wrecked/Parts.


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"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there". Lewis Carrol

I hope they make worse injectors in India forgetting to machine the tips would be nice I need what little income I get selling used ones especially when I have enough sets to sell some on eBay I get paid a lot more for those than the ones I supply to some local people that I am not supposed to mention. I don’t know all about injectors but I do know the ones made in India must have been real bad since mine needed replacement and our shop sent me to the junkyard to pull a bunch instead of using the new rebuilt in India nozzles. And I ended up selling used tested good injectors to more than one shop in a major metropolitan market that tells me they must have been real crap. As a side note you have to pull a lot of injectors to get one set of good ones. I could make a mint selling them as pulled from a running car as most of them are and selling them untested on eBay like most sellers do but the car will run even when they just pee like the majority of the ones I test do. I for one hope they move there manufacturing to Bangladesh and make them with hand tools I might be a little biased though.
DHS