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Old 08-27-2004, 05:50 PM
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W116 - front cross member question

1979 300SD - I will be pulling the engine/tranny out of it over the next week or so and got to looking around underneath the car. It has a pretty substantial cross member underneath the rear area of the engine which has to come out to remove the engine/tranny. It looks like one of the fasteners that holds it in also secures the lower control arm rear most position. Is there any problem with the front springs getting away from me when I remove this cross member?
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Old 08-28-2004, 01:24 AM
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Never done it myself, but I would certainly act as if that were the case.... are you sure you have to remove it to get the engine out?

If you are planning on putting a different engine in there or putting the engine elsewhere a good something for you to keep in mind.... The arms that bolt to the block and are what the engine mounts bolt too are angled differently on the other chassis. The PO of my white '79 300SD found this out apparantly after he lost access to the old ones.... if you don't use the old ones the tranny will sit too far forward and will interfere with the cross member. The PO's "solution" was to cut across the whole top of the bar squish it down, and weld it 'closed' again.

I found all this out when the above welded subframe broke in half.... talk about strange symptoms while it was cracked!!!

G'luck with it!

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Old 08-28-2004, 10:48 AM
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1979 300SD - I will be pulling the engine/tranny out of it over the next week or so and got to looking around underneath the car. It has a pretty substantial cross member underneath the rear area of the engine which has to come out to remove the engine/tranny. It looks like one of the fasteners that holds it in also secures the lower control arm rear most position. Is there any problem with the front springs getting away from me when I remove this cross member?
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I have only worked on W123's, but find it unusual that any structural component would need to be removed in the R&R of any engine / trans combination.
On the W123, the engine mounts and the transmission mount were the only major items to be removed.
There were, of course, the usual vacuum lines, fuel lines, electrical connections and plumbing to be disconnected before the R&R commenced.
BTW, you are lifting the engine from the car, and not lifting the car off the engine / trans combination?
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Old 08-28-2004, 11:42 AM
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Lifting the engine/tranny from the car. You do have to remove the cross member on the W126 to do this procedure and I'm sure this one will have to come out too. Just not too sure about where the rear suspension section is bolted up on it. I'll try to get some shots of it later.
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Just looked it up in the Chilton's I have, says it comes out. Doesn't say anything about springs, though.

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Old 08-28-2004, 01:35 PM
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Thanks Peter - I just wanted to confirm that I am not going to have to mess with the springs.
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Old 08-28-2004, 09:17 PM
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I pulled the engine and trans together from a 116 car and did not take the front cross member out. The trans cross member was removed. You need an angle type hoist to tilt the engine/trans so it will come out. The radiator has to come out but not the condenser.

Pulling the engine/trans together is the way the shop manual outlines.

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