Hi,

I've been researching the many options able to boost hp in my car. I was planning to do an engine swap, but instead I decided to add a turbo kit from Mosselman. At their website, they don't offer a kit for a 190E 2.6 "specifically", but they do offer one for a 300E 12Valve. Well, aren't they both the same engine? (M103, inline-6, 12Valve)? I know that the 300E 12valves come in both 2.6L and 3.0L engines. So can't I throw a turbo onto a 190E 2.6? If Mosselman only offers for a 300E 3.0L, can't I upgrade the camshaft with the one offered at Bekkers for the 190E, and wouldn't the raise the displacement of the 2.6 to a 3.0? PLEASE HELP!
Thanks

talk to clinton on this board. He has done a mosselman turbo on his 190e. He should be able to give you all the help you need.

Alon

Try searching for 190E Turbo on the forums.

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Hey there,

First off....displacement is not changed by simply swapping cams. I wish it was....hehe. Increasing Displacement is done by boring out and stroking out the cylinder heads. This requires new pistons, gaskets, machine work, etc. etc. I did turbocharge my 16V, but I honestly don't know if they make a kit for the 2.6. I also don't know if the 300E 2.6 motor is the same as the 190E 2.6. You should contact them. They have a phone number on thier website. http://www.mosselmanturbo.com Now if you had a 16V, I'd be able to help you out. hehe, Good luck.

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Clinton Davis
'86 190E 2.3-16V turbo
http://www.190revolution.net

ok my correction... hehe sorry clinton I just figured since you already did the turbo you would be able to enlighten him on some things to watch out for or that will need to be done even if it is different engine certain principals would be the same no?

Alon

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2004 C240 - 744 - C7 Wheels - Android Radio
2002 C320 - 816 - Sport Wagon - Sold
2006 E350 Wagon - 368 - Dead
2015 GL350 Bluetec - 197U

Oh yes......the principle is exactly the same. You're right about that. But as far as if Mosselman makes a kit for the 2.6 and if the 300E kit that they offer fit the 190E 2.6.....I have no idea. hehe....later.

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Clinton Davis
'86 190E 2.3-16V turbo
http://www.190revolution.net

If your compression ratio is at least 8.5:1 or lower, and you're willing to part with EFI, and you can get some fairly simple parts fabricated or fabricate them yourself, you can turbo it yourself. If you're not willing to part with EFI it will easily triple the cost for the same peformance. It still won't cost 6k though. Just depends on how much of your personal time and effort you can afford to invest, and what your goals are. I'm sure Mosselman makes a very clean product, but with their limit of .4 bar boost, they are definitely playing it safe and not really giving you your money's worth, unless bragging rights are more important than peformance. Not trying to anger anyone here(except maybe Mosselman). With the type of simple system I' discribing, you can easily get 400 hp out of a Mopar slant six w/o torching it on the first run. How clean the system looks is up to you. If you're intrested let me know and I can go into greater detail. Either on list or off, makes no diffrence to me. Be forewarned though, EFI guys freak out if you even insinuate that a system that doesn't use it can even make it out of the driveway.

Forgot a couple of things. 1. I'm selling nothing. 2. Increasing displacement can be acomplished either by modifying the block and heads, or by boost. Your vehicles displacement is at atmospheric pressure (14.7 psi or 1.0 bar). Every .1 bar of boost will increase your effective displacement 100 cc's per liter of origional displacement because that's how much more air is going into your engine to produce power. 1.0 bar (or twice atmospheric) pressure will double your displacement. In other words, displacement is not how big the hole is, but how much you stuff into the hole from the perspective of power produced.

I haven't dealt with the Mosselman Turbosystem directly, but will agree that .4 bar (5.8 psi) is a pretty conservative amount of boost. Adjusting the boost up or down from this pre-set setting also is a VERY simple thing to change via a wastegate adjustment. Want more power? Turn up the boost! Admittedly the strain on the engine increases proportionately with every upward adjustment of boost, but even with a modest increase to 10 psi, hp would be much greater with very little risk of decreased engine longevity.

I have run bone a stock VW GTI with a Callaway Turbo System installed at anywhere from 10 to 14 psi boost, and have driven them problem free for over 200k miles! The Germans build 'em strong right out of the box!

J.G.

If .4 bar gets you to your goal, there is no problem with that and it will make a noticable diffrence. If shaving 10ths of of your e.t. is the goal, that would be a waste of time. Neither is my personal issue, however. My intrest in turbocharging is strictly for off-road application and my vehicle of choice would only do 65 mph WITH TURBO.

My point is that you can use the same major component that Mosselman does (the Garrett high nickel turbo), pay 50 bucks for it, and maybe spend $600 on the total package, and tailor it to your needs. You're just going to have to make some things yourself. Increasing or decreasing pressure to the wastegate can, stiffer spring, ect., can easily be acomplished by anyone. Even bending the gate actuator arm can produce results, but not reccomended. A two stage low/high boost setup can be made for virtually any turbo car made since 1980 for about 35 bucks.
http://www.cancerman.net/TS/links.htm
Some interesting stuff there. Some of the links I don't necessarily agree with, and most ignore the fact that EFI makes things excruciatingly more difficult and expensive, but there is great info there. They barely touch on boosts of 20 psi or more, which is where you'll have to be to play with the big boys, unless financed by some corporation or crazy rich old lady. Just stand back and throw cash at it for a 15% increase in torque/hp is not my idea of a good time. I'm cheap.

Sure it's true.......=0.4 bar is not a whole lot of boost. But it will definantly increase your performance. On top of that. Turbo motors are very sensitive to other upgrades. Ex. 300ZX turbo gets 18-20 RWHP with a Stillen cat back system....sure the cars are different but that is only an example. You get the idea. Also, you are definantly NOT limited to 0.4 bar. That is just what Mosselman sets the pressure at. You can adjust it to whatever you want with a manual/electrical boost controller. Your options are endless after that. Mosselman turbo systems tested the euro 16V and the car has 185HP stock....after the turbo set at only 5.5psi. the car makes a very impressive 250HP. That is a very substantial gain. You can go custom but as was said earlier, you would have to deal with fabricating your own parts and I would hate to have to deal with the headache of doing this. Later.

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Clinton Davis
'86 190E 2.3-16V turbo
http://www.190revolution.net