i have a set of campro cams sources from bekkers that are 278 degrees and 10.2mm lift (according to bekkers). when my tech installed it, he noted, upon hand cranking, that the valves springs were totally compressed which prevented complete revolution of the camshafts. bekkers has preliminary indicated that all are needed are new (shorter, stiffer) valve springs.

Does anyone have experience with this setup? Are new valve springs all that are needed? should i send 'em back to bekkers?

thanks,

JH

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john
'87 2.3-16v
'92 500E

278's are probably the most aggressive cams available for the 16v and new springs are required. This is true with nearly all "stage 3"(272's or higher NA DOHC's) cams.

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1997 Mercedes E320 Turbo
Garrett T3/60-1 Turbocharger
Custom Water Intercooler Setup
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thanks! assuming i source the proper replacement springs, do you think i need to worry re: machining the tops of the pistons, etc?

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john
'87 2.3-16v
'92 500E

John -
please do post back about how it runs once you have the cams fitted and engine running. E.g. performance change, bottom end, how it goes with the stock fuel setup etc. Thanks.

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190E's:
2.5-16v 1990 90,000m Astral Silver
2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
http://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall.jpghttp://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall2.jpg

It's always important when you're running a high lift, high duration cam that you check piston clearance. Put a piece of putty on a cylinder and roll it through to see what your clearance is.

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1993 190E 2.6 Sportline

thanks for the tips. what should i look for as acceptable clearance? I will post the performance gains. question is, do i do the testing with the stock cats or the totally trick 3-section complete 16v AMG exhaust system (3" pipes, no precats, small resonator in place of main cat) that's totally illegal in CA? hmmmm....

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john
'87 2.3-16v
'92 500E

btw, anyone know of a dyno in norcal where i can do the comparisons?

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john
'87 2.3-16v
'92 500E

If you spent $1,800 on cams I take it you want maximum performance... so why run with stock exhaust?

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i

Wow. There is a lot available for the 2.3-16. I want a hot cam in my 300E already...

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1991 300E - 212K and rising fast...

The general rule of thumb I've always used is .080 (2mm) on the intake side and .100 (2.5mm) on the exhaust side. This is used on pushrod motors that in general use bigger clearances, so you may be able to run tighter tolerances than that, but DO NOT build your motor on that assumption. The best thing you can do is to contact your local cylinder head guy and ask him given your valve train layout and cam specs how tight you can run that tolerance.


I wish they made cams for my M104 that didn't cost as much as my entire car did....

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1993 190E 2.6 Sportline

What's the duration of the stock 16v cam (us or euro?).

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190E's:
2.5-16v 1990 90,000m Astral Silver
2.0E 8v 1986 107,000m Black 2nd owner
http://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall.jpghttp://www.maylane.demon.co.uk/190esmall2.jpg

If you call renntech they may still sell their M103 cam.

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i

I'm pretty sure they do not. I recently called them about M104 parts and they said they've stopped supporting the M104, which is a newer motor and have no more cams and/or blanks.

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1993 190E 2.6 Sportline

Hrm, I read of someone not too long ago that bought M103 cams, phone calls are free, may still be worth a shot.

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68 280SL - 70 280SL - 70 300SEL 3.5 - 72 350SL - 72 280SEL 4.5 - 72 220 - 72 220D - 73 450SL - 84 230GE - 87 200TD - 90 190E 2.0 - 03 G500

Nissan GTR - Nissan Skyline GTS25T - Toyota GTFour - Rover Mini - Toyota Land Cruiser HJ60 - Cadillac Eldorado - BMW E30 - BMW 135i

Get a regrind or run two exhaust cams with no advance. Someone on here had their 300E cam reground for performance it was relatively cheap(Multiple times cheaper than Shrick cams I believe)

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1997 Mercedes E320 Turbo
Garrett T3/60-1 Turbocharger
Custom Water Intercooler Setup
352rwhp/366rwtq @ 8.6psi in '08

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