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kenyee 03-06-2003 02:16 PM

Starter motor seems slow getting out of way on <20F days
 
Hoping Gilly might have seen this and knows if it's a problem w/ a solution. A few folks on Benzworld also said they hear it.

Basically, on really cold days (below 20F degrees), when you turn the key and let it start, near the end of the start cycle, it sounds like the starter motor is having problems getting out of the way of the engine starting. It happens near the last second or two of the start cycle. You hear almost the same sound as turning your key to the start position on other cars w/o out the "if car has started already, don't let the owner try starting it while motor is running" feature that we have.

s4toml 03-06-2003 02:27 PM

A few TSB's match your description of the problem:
 
--- DDAF15_30-U-640JUN 00 Starter Occasionally Does Not Operate

--- DDAF07_61-U-600AUG 99 Engine Cannot Be Started

--- NHTSA Item# 606283 Service Bulletin #09M992 Seq 628 CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS OF ENGINE NOT STARTING (STARTER MOTOR DOES NOT CRANK)

kenyee 03-06-2003 03:21 PM

starter works fine though
 
The engine starts perfectly each time. Just worried I might be stripping gears.

I also have an '01 so those TSBs don't apply...

s4toml 03-06-2003 03:35 PM

Last one
 
Quote:

I also have an '01 so those TSBs don't apply...
is specifically for 2001 ML's listed on NHTSA

tabo 03-06-2003 09:23 PM

Don't always assume it is the starter...
 
It could be the battery itself.. test the battery to see how strong it is...

mpnye 03-06-2003 11:56 PM

The NOISE you're referring to is the SLIDING STARTER DRIVE GEAR is binding on the armature due to the EXTREME cold causing the grease to solidify, causing it to remain engaged with the RING GEAR . . .

Gilly 03-07-2003 06:45 AM

Either that or the starter drive (also called the Bendix drive) is sticking to the ring gear itself (on the flywheel). I don't recall hearing of one do this before. I'd have a mechanic listen to it. I'm thinking a new starter is in order. The flywheel assembly would of course require removal of the transmission/transfer case, so I'd hope the starter would fix it.

Gilly

kenyee 03-09-2003 02:17 PM

Re: Last one
 
Quote:

Originally posted by s4toml
specifically for 2001
That's true, but like I said, there are no problems starting. And the weather has gotten warm enough in the Northeast that I likely won't be able to reproduce it until next year.

Thanks, Gilly and mpnye. That terminology might help me describe it to the tech the next time I go in. If it really is binding, will this damage the starter motor or tranny?

mpnye 03-09-2003 02:26 PM

It will burn up the ONE WAY ROLLER CLUTCH in the STARTER DRIVE(Bendix) in SHORT ORDER and cause POSSIBLE damage to the RING GEAR . . .

Get it handled . . . SOON, if continues ! ! !


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