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KirkVining 07-30-2004 01:49 AM

I thought he was just ignoring me. I don't think he committed virtual hari-kari, he just doesn't like me. Thats ok, because I don't like him back.

Botnst 07-30-2004 09:59 AM

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Originally posted by KirkVining
Nuclear weapons program are impossible to hide. As a former resident of Los Alamos, NM, I know of what I speak. The industrial processes required to refine uranium into enriched uranium and plutonium are large scale industrial operations that leave tell-tale environmental signatures that are impossible to hide, even if the output is only a few hundred lbs of the stuff. To enrich uranium requires a nuclear reactor be built, and they are damn hard to hide, given the fact they spew gamma rays about the place and such.

If it is provable that the Iranians support al-Queda in away that strengthens that organization, then they are our enemies. That alone is enough justification to declare war on them, the existance of an atomic weapons program is simply a reason we should be in haste. The only thing I can conclude on why we have not done so is because they have actually built one, and have not announced it to the world by detonating one yet. If that is the case, allowing a nation that is in league with the most potentially deadly, sucidial enemy we have ever faced, to acquire it will be considered one of the greatest blunders in our history.

Kirk....the world believed Saddam had a nukular program, remember?

You're calling for somebody to do exactly what we did in Iraq. Don't you think this drips with irony?

B

Old300D 07-30-2004 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by Botnst
Kirk....the world believed Saddam had a nukular program, remember?

You're calling for somebody to do exactly what we did in Iraq. Don't you think this drips with irony?

B

There were plenty of people who doubted Iraq had a nuclear program, myself included. The "aluminum tubes" were immediately debunked, and the "purchase order" for yellowcake was known to be a forgery before Bush announced it in the state of the union address. It was well known Israel destroyed Iraq's only nuclear reactor.

Iran OTH is known to have reactors and centrifuges, as they ascribe to the non-proliferation treaty, and have their equipment inspected by the IAC.

Please don't insult people's intelligence by pretending Iran's program is a dud like Iraq's supposed program.

KirkVining 07-30-2004 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Botnst
Kirk....the world believed Saddam had a nukular program, remember?

You're calling for somebody to do exactly what we did in Iraq. Don't you think this drips with irony?

B

The UN inspectors reported Saddam had no nuclear weapons and did not have the industrial capaciity to produce them, something anyone could deduce. Your idea that the "World" thought so shows how deep Bush Admin disinformation penetrated into your skull. You need to stop making wild assertions and post some proof for your newly invented "fact" instead of trying to make pre-war proganda bull$hit sound like world opinion.

Any nation that can be shown to have been compliciant in Sept 11 is a legitimate target for attack, something oil hungry neo-con war pigs could never come up with in the case of Iraq. War, when waged, must have a just basis. You constantly excuse this war, based on simple human greed, as some kind of response to 911. It was not - it was murder committed for oil. A war in Iran, for the purpose of destroying a state that facilitates al-Queda is a war to protect my children, not a war to create profits for oil companies and satisfy the Hitlerian fantasies the neo-cons have been vomitting on us since 1998, theories that this morally corrupt president has put into practice by hijacking our national tragedy to suit his own ends. If you get out some of those economic geography books you claim to be expert in, you will find that Iran is an advanced industrial nation with natural resources other than sand and oil, and is capable of building, if it not already has, the kind of industrial infrastructure necessary to produce nuclear weapons, along with all the other big nasties. It also has an extremely well developed academic class of the type of scientists necessary to do such, and a political philosophy of hatred towards us adopted by many of them. Iraq simply does not have the natural resources to become a nuclear state, someone who claims to understand the basics of economic geography should understand that. They were only capable of threatening us with what they could buy, and they were so heavily embargoed and bombed, it was impossible for them to be threat to us because they could not buy or build anything. I, a computer guy in Houston, knew this is March of 2003. Why did our president invade Iraq? What is ironic is that someone who claims to have knowledge in the field of economic geography postulates a threat from Iraq ever existed can do it with a straight face.

TimFreeh 07-30-2004 02:04 PM

Kirk

Thats a silly question - he did it because Cheney told him to do it so that Halliburton could get a bunch of no-bid contracts.

Man I thought you were smarter than that.....

Bot - I admire your patience, it's truly amazing that you can continue a conversation with people on this board that contradict themselves every third sentence.

My hats off to you - I can't do it.

KirkVining 07-30-2004 02:08 PM

Tim: perhaps instead of jumping in and hurling juvenile sarcasim and personal attack, you could actually join in the discussion in an intellectual way and point out the contradictions I am making. Perhaps then you could prove if you are smart at all.

yal 07-30-2004 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Botnst
Kirk....the world believed Saddam had a nukular program, remember?

I guess France and Germany aren't part of your world;) I don't think we would ever fight a country that actually had a nuclear program. That takes real guts.

Botnst 07-30-2004 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by TimFreeh
Kirk

Thats a silly question - he did it because Cheney told him to do it so that Halliburton could get a bunch of no-bid contracts.

Man I thought you were smarter than that.....

Bot - I admire your patience, it's truly amazing that you can continue a conversation with people on this board that contradict themselves every third sentence.

My hats off to you - I can't do it.

Comes from being a stupid neconazi. My pinhead doesn't allow for common sense so I continue ramming it into the local icons of truth and virtue.

Botnst 07-30-2004 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by yal
I guess France and Germany aren't part of your world;) I don't think we would ever fight a country that actually had a nuclear program. That takes real guts.
Oh yeah, now that's a smart plan there.

I'm all for frontal assault on Iran. I say we should support the French and German forces in every way short of doing the fighting. Do you not think they should step-up to the plate now that we have perfect irrefutable evidence that they are developing nukular weapons?

B

PS Turns out Niger had been approached by Iraq for uranium ore. They wanted the ore for the following reason_______.


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