Pakistan announces it will stop pretending they are looking for Bin Laden - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

KirkVining · #1 12-02-2004, 04:43 PM

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?id=10255

Old300D · #2 12-02-2004, 05:15 PM

Well if Pakistan says OBL isn't there, it must be true. Maybe the US should look in Mosul, it could be that OBL is joining up with Zarkawi in the terrorist magnet of Iraq.

boneheaddoctor · #3 12-02-2004, 06:39 PM

I think Clinton is hiding him in their NY house they never use.

#4 12-02-2004, 07:41 PM

I hear OJ's on the case. He's not gonna rest until Osama is found.

fj bertrand · #5 12-02-2004, 07:43 PM

He's in Crawford texas with bandar bush

GermanStar · #6 12-02-2004, 08:01 PM

I heard he's playin' for the Mavericks this year.....

boneheaddoctor · #7 12-02-2004, 10:39 PM

Recent news.....OBL has been spotted with Terresa Hienz-Kerry......Claims he is her Yoga teacher.

shane · #8 12-03-2004, 12:48 AM

Everyone knows he is in Saudi Arabia. Geez.

KirkVining · #9 12-03-2004, 01:06 AM

He probably got there on the plane Bush let fly out.

shane · #10 12-03-2004, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

He probably got there on the plane Bush let fly out.

True. Oil, oil, and more oil. Hey! How can I get a no bid contract? I really want one of those. Me thinks it just might be really profitable.

KirkVining · #11 12-03-2004, 01:33 AM

Bin Laden’s trail cold, U.S. acknowledges
www.msnbc,com

Forces focus on Afghan democracy, pursuing Taliban

The Associated Press
Updated: 5:51 p.m. ET Dec. 2, 2004KABUL, Afghanistan - For a time, the U.S. military in Afghanistan was talking as if it would smoke Osama bin Laden out of a cave on the rocky Pakistan border within months, perhaps even ahead of President Bush’s re-election.

Now, U.S. commanders say protecting the country’s fragile new democracy, reviving its economy and keeping Taliban militants on the run are the priorities, although tracking the cold trail of bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders remains the focus of intelligence efforts.

Spies, informers, electronic listening devices and surveillance from the air all belong to the U.S. arsenal. However, U.S. officials acknowledge that videotapes featuring a sprightly-looking bin Laden — released days before the Nov. 2 election in the United States — and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, have yielded no clues to their whereabouts, even though one was delivered to a TV channel in Islamabad, Pakistan.

“They’re pretty sterile in terms of intelligence value,” Maj. Gen. Eric Olson, the operational commander of U.S. forces here, told The Associated Press.

‘The hunt goes on’
Despite initial high expectations on the other side of the border, Pakistan’s yearlong crackdown against foreign militants near the tribal town of Wana also has yielded no trace of bin Laden or al-Zawahri.

“We have no specific indication that they are in the Wana area or really any other location” in the region, Olson said. “But the hunt goes on.”

U.S. generals have had three years to rue how bin Laden, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, slipped away from Afghan and U.S. troops near the Tora Bora caves of Afghanistan’s eastern mountains as the regime of his Taliban protectors crumbled that December.

French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, who has special forces patrolling farther south, claimed last month that bin Laden narrowly escaped a U.S. operation as recently as mid-2003. But there is no firm evidence that anyone has picked up his trail since.

Interviewed at Bagram Air Base, nerve-center of the 18,000-strong force he helps command, Olson said this week that his immediate goals were preventing insurgents from mounting a “strategic surprise” with an attack on President-elect Hamid Karzai’s inauguration Dec. 7 and keeping them on the defensive ahead of parliamentary elections in April.

Still, U.S. commanders have slowly diluted their focus on combat operations against Taliban militants to take in more of the kind of nation-building that the Bush administration was once wary of.

Lawless provinces in the south and the east are now dotted with “provincial reconstruction teams” designed to help the Afghan government regain a grip on the countryside while squeezing better intelligence from ordinary Afghans in return for building wells and clinics.

Foreign fighters pose complications
Olson said running down bin Laden and his cohorts was still “the main effort, no doubt about it.”

He said that al-Qaida cells could still be in Afghanistan — Kabul has seen four deadly suicide attacks this year — and that U.S. forces had encountered foreign fighters on several recent operations.

On Nov. 21, U.S.-led troops mounted raids on suspected al-Qaida compounds in Nangarhar, not far from Tora Bora. The U.S. military said “several Arab fighters” were among suspects killed or detained.

Another raid targeting an unidentified “al-Qaida facilitator” a week later provoked riotous protests after the suspect’s wife was taken into custody, a breach of tribal honor codes.

Olson said that the chief suspect, who escaped, was only a “medium-value target” in Nangarhar but that this kind of operation was now the military’s best hope in the hunt for bigger fish.

Intelligence gleaned from such captives can help “piece together a story that leads you to more specific locations for the senior leaders,” he said. “I honestly believe that that’s the way that Osama bin Laden and al-Zawahri are eventually going to be located.”

Despite the drain on resources posed by Iraq, the number of special forces in Afghanistan has held steady, at an undisclosed level, Olson said.

He said he was redistributing those troops along the border to catch militants trying to slip back and forth from safe havens on the Pakistani side.

To that end, cooperation with Pakistan is vital.

U.S. and Afghan officials have praised Islamabad for its bloody operations around Wana, the main town of the lawless Waziristan region, where fierce resistance earlier this year fueled speculation that a high-value target — possibly al-Zawahri — was cornered.

If he was, he escaped. Pakistani commanders now say they do not believe any of al-Qaida’s top brass are in the region.

Pakistan has no better luck
Maj. Gen. Niaz Khattak, commander of Pakistan’s military operations against al-Qaida-linked fighters in South Waziristan, has predicted that the fiercely autonomous area will be pacified by year’s end. But he says that there is no sign of bin Laden and that most of the foreigners still in the region are low-level fighters.

Khattak said only a few foreign militants had been captured alive. He estimated that among the nearly 300 militants killed in the past nine months, 100 were foreigners — principally Uzbeks, Chechens, Tajiks and Afghans.

“If intelligence comes by, we will certainly pursue it. If you’re asking whether he [bin Laden] is here or not, there’s no indications of his presence,” Khattak told reporters on a recent trip to the region.

“There might be some terrain where nobody has been able to go. But we have intelligence, and there’s no way such high-value information would remain hidden for such a long period of time,” he added. “After all, there should have been a rumor, if nothing else.”

© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material

Vronsky · #12 12-03-2004, 02:32 AM

Spain has recently convicted the first plotter of the Madrid bombing in March 6 months ago, and more are waiting for their trial. Has there EVER been a conviction related to 9/11??

KirkVining · #13 12-03-2004, 03:16 AM

Some small fry, that's about it. Here is an interesting question: Who seems to be benefiting the most from him NOT being caught? I'll give you a hint:

Botnst · #14 12-03-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vronsky

Spain has recently convicted the first plotter of the Madrid bombing in March 6 months ago, and more are waiting for their trial. Has there EVER been a conviction related to 9/11??

In war, convictions are tertiary consideration.

We kill them. --My personal favorite.

We capture them. Hence the coupla hunnert at GTMO.

Somewhere way, way down the list is criminal justice. It's just not a priority item when the first two options work just fine for major players. Hence, criminal justice for lackies--fundraisers, safe-house operators, etc. Also, we turn over some of them to their home countries where they face local criminal justice. Hahahahaha!

Old300D · #15 12-03-2004, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

In war, convictions are tertiary consideration.

We kill them. --My personal favorite.

We capture them. Hence the coupla hunnert at GTMO.

Somewhere way, way down the list is criminal justice. It's just not a priority item when the first two options work just fine for major players. Hence, criminal justice for lackies--fundraisers, safe-house operators, etc. Also, we turn over some of them to their home countries where they face local criminal justice. Hahahahaha!

Lol! If only we could do any of those things. Bush would like you to think we are. In his campaign I seem to remember a statement by him that we have killed 75% of the al-Qaeda leadership. Either his math skills are a big issue (we have killed 3 of 27 known leaders) or he is lying.