Other than canvas seats and painted green metal that's all you get in a military hummer. I had to drive them way back when and long drives were torture. The good part was Humvee's were brand new and everyone treated us like we were driving a CLK-GTR.

The bed on the truck ones. They have really cheap thin plastic with fake rivets. And overspray, i dont know if the military ones have that either. Or a plastic gas cap. And I dont know if the military hummers body panels fit correctly or not but they civilian ones dont. It might be great offroad and junk but they arent worth a 100K

Their a truck not an S-class. But fit and finish on the body panals are as good as on any Euro/Japanese car I have seen. If you every carry a load of fire wood or gravel the plastic bed liners are pretty nice.

The extra cooler thingie on the top of the hood in the military version of the Hummer is for real. On the H2 and H3 it is plastic and serves no purpose other than "decoration", like a Connie kit on a caddy.

The military Hummer is no doubt safer and more versatile than the Jeeps that precedes it as well as a lot more expensive.

The civilian versions, especially the H2 and H3 are vehicles largely based on fantasy and encrusted with bogus ornamentation.

The gadget to inflate and deflate tires from within the vehicle is probably very useful as a 4x4, but has been elin=minated from the H2 and H3.

HOLY COW!!! Thanks for all the responses. It's amazing how much emotion can be tied to some sheet metal. Anyway, thanks all for responding to my post. I didn't have access to the site this weekend but I'm amazed at the quanitity of / and the "spiritedness" of the responses.

I really was looking for the quality aspects of the H2, not the pent up rage many of you have for the vehicle but thanks for that too. It made for some amusing reading.

I still like them, regardless of the comments made about who would drive one. (and by the way, I liked the VW Thing as well - c'mon a Kubelwagen for the '70s - what's not to love).

I'm not certain any of these responses swayed my thoughts one way or the other but thanks for the reponses!! You guys are a hoot!

Hey, anytime you need an issue beat to a pulp, we're here for ya :D

Exactly - step away from the pony!

I caught a creepy Univ of MN kid making a "political statement" on my Land Rover Discovery a few years ago. I considered expressing my variance with his beliefs by thrashing his smelly ass, but instead I called the cops and had him arrested. Now he has a criminal record: hope that serves him well at job-seeking time. :pukeface:

Excellent. A solution that benefits all concerned parties.

Do they come with a Duramax? That would put it all together, along with 4WD.

Jeep Gladiator
 

The Jeep brand has not marketed a pickup since the early 1990s, when the Comanche mid-sized truck was phased out. The truck-like Jeep Scrambler died in 1985. The original Gladiator pickup was discontinued in 1969.

The Gladiator does not share underpinnings with any Jeep model. It has a 2.8-liter turbo diesel engine that generates 163 horsepower, and boasts 13.7 inches of ground clearance. An exterior-mounted spare tire and exposed door hinges add a rugged look. But it has one of the more modern gadgets to show up on a pickup: an expandable truck bed.

Chrysler has already placed the Gladiator in a category of its own -- calling it a "flexible utility truck."

If it's got solid axles and a real tranny to go along with that engine, you might be able to have some fun with that Gladiator. :D

Re: your other question; last I checked, the Suburban isn't available with the D-max...not enough space to fit the tranny IIRC. The next design is supposed to accomodate the Allison...so it should be offered then. Personally, I wouldn't touch a D-max with a 10' pole, but that's just MHO...don't like aluminum heads and have no faith in any 4-stroke engine that GM had a hand in designing...

Another option is the Excursion...if you can find an early '03 or older, the 7.3l PSD's not a bad engine. The 6.0l, however, is a crap shoot...some people have gotten very good engines, while some people have gotten expensive, useless hunks of scrap iron...

Do you think their is a market for a Mack semi with a SUV type interior? :D We could call it a ESUV. Extreme SUV! :D Throw in some shiny chrome wheels a few electronic gadgets and low monthly payments and you would sell a million of them! :D People will be convenced they need anything if the marketing department is doing their job! :rolleyes:

I can try to find it for you. There really is one built and being sold. It looks like a pickup, but super-sized with a serious diesel engine. It'd fit a regular pickup in the bed.

one of the videos...

http://www.collegehumor.com/?movie_id=24993

You mean this thing?

http://www.navistar.com/assets/sever...cxt-header.gif

Dig the ATV in the bed. Like I'd seriously consider something like this to carry an ATV. :pukeface:

...it's being addressed by their steering committee... :rolleyes:

That's the one. Let Hummer top that!

On second thought, maybe not. :rolleyes:

:wtf:

:eek2:
:headshot:


ohhhhhhh *&%&$^&*%^*). If I ever see one of those crusing around city streets just to impress the jonses, I will know it is over and move to Antarctica.

doesn' really seem much different then these....

http://www.benzworld.org/gallery/pic...00431503AM.jpg

http://www.benzworld.org/gallery/pic...00430244PM.jpg

I always liked this image...

Uhhhhhh, check your scale. A MOG is MUCH smaller. That big-ass thing is nearly as big as a semi-tractor.

Navistar

"doesn' really seem much different then these...."

Yeah, except one is designed to pull tons and tons of cargo along highways, but some hick decided it was a good idea to throw a P/u bed on it.
The the other is made to get into hard to access areas. When I have a use for one I will own a MOG.... (Pulling my supplies into a VERY remote area when the nukes start going off....)

That's one reason the Hummer and the "Hummer" H2 are not particularly favored for off-road -- they are too wide. Even Mogs are narrower and can navigate smaller trails without trouble. If you take a Hummer, bring a Cat D9 or something to clear the way!

Oh, I've already seen one of these behemouths "in the wild."

I'd never own one, but sometime I just have to admire the "too much is never enough" approach. :eek: :D

I WOULD, however, own a Unimog and/or a GWagen if I had the extra cash. I don't even like most SUVs or pickup trucks, and not for any self-righteous environmental or highway-safety reasons....just personal preference. I also really have no need for one, but the Unimogs sure look like fun, and the GWagen is just damned good-looking! :D

Mike

Ok someone beat me to it! :eek: Who buys something like that? They must cost $100k? Don't people with cash to burn spend their money on good stuff these days? Like a Ferrari or boat?

Back to my original point, people will buy anything if:
1. It is cheap enough.
2. If they think they need it.

If you think about it the SUV=sport utility vehical that theirs a catchy phrase that someone must have thought up one night. :rolleyes: Peoples purchases can be minipulated by proper marketing it is almost scary. What did people do before all of these great barges roamed the land? Station wagon! :D Guess what is coming back but with different names!

But a Hummer is responsible for none of that. 10 billion people with material needs and desires are responsible. How does burning a Hummer do anything but create an exercise in deception?

...metaphors of the mind my friend. A good burn represents a cathartic cleansing of the soul. Other than that, how the hell should I know? I don't advocate such activities, but I do understand from whence they spring...

Burning an SUV to the ground would produce more toxic emissions in a matter of an hour or so than the vehicle would produce during SEVERAL YEARS of normal use.

As usual, such radical enviro-terrorists are shooting themselves in both feet: Now the perpetrators have made themselves into criminals, AND they have contributed needlessly to the problem (pollution) that they are claiming to be against!

:rolleyes:

Mike

...methinks we have an over-abundance of hypocrits in our midst.

Only accident I ever had in the 14 years of driving my Sunbeam Alpine, was when a neighbor couldn't see it and backed her F250 pickup into my left rear quarter panel.
Guess that was my fault for owning too small a car!

Lately, most of the aggressive SUVs menacing my Honda on the highway, seem to be those full size, jacked-up extended-cab pickups. Their owners think they're driving sportscars. Here, one of them recently drove over the top of a car on I66 and killed three people. My brother's '94 4Runner is only a 'midsize' SUV but I think it's scary to drive!
Don't really have many other gripes with SUVs and Hummers, except as major examples of waste. Glad all the gas my Accord is saving, keeps these monsters on the road!

Don't need to burn them! Don't need to ban them!
Just make them subject to the same safety, emissions and fuel economy regulations as the rest of the consumer vehicles.

Happy Motoring, Mark

Now THAT is cool! I think the Air Force used to use those on the flight line... Crew Chief trucks. The original "6 pack" (6 passengers). Just out of curiosity, what are you asking? I have no idea what the market on those things it.

Chris

Dead-on, Mike. And *I* stand by your comments, too.

Chris

The original use for a Suburban
 

As GM likes to point out, the Suburban dates way back to 1937. But what they DON'T say is who was buying them, other than the Park Service and Mark Trail.

The main buyers of these things were FUNERAL PARLORS. They are useful for ferrying bodies around on non-ceremonial occasions, ie, over to the embalmer's, from the hospital or morgue to the funeral home, etc. Hearses tend to make people feel creepy. Besides, they are expensive to buy and maintain. The hearse needs to always be in nice shiny condition.

...an eminently sensible solution--also need to completely remove the absurd tax loopholes for SUVs.

Thanks for referring to me as a friend. That is an honor.

Is the bigger issue one of folks unwilling and/or incapable of identifying and working towards resolving issues, or perhaps merely one of convenience? An lashing out here a hateful moment there an occasional timely burning, and everything is okay?

Hey Ted, take her for a test drive and get her to park the SUV in a Wallmart parking lot, close in.

I drive SUV's and 4X4's for a living. Much less often now that I'm mostly desk-bound Damned if I'd ever own one unless I had a farm or business requirement for one. Lousy ride, horrible parking, terrible mileage, and expensive maintenance if you use it off-road.

...sorry if I triggered your involuntary gag reflex--my bad.

....meaning?.....

Mike

L.i.n.o.

.....meaning?.....

Mike

Something we can agree on... as long as the writers of the legislation understand that certain "commercial" applications ought to receive consideration. The tax on grain trucks around here, for instance, has helped contribute to the near-extinction of the family farm.

Now, do *I* need a grain truck or, for that matter, an H2? Hell no!

Chris

C'mon Fellas....
 

Like I'm supposed to believe everyone on this list drives their Benz for reasons other than status. Cant be for reliability anymore. Nope, not for performance either.

Count me out Benzers , I went BMW.

I bought a BMW too. My first.
 

But mine is a 1992 wagon. I think the Mercedes is heavier built. THe frame and suspension components are thicker on my 1985 MB. Big difference in the attitude of the dealers. The BMW service writers say that BMW doesn't think their owners should work on their cars. BMW will not sell service manuals. Any information or part is available form Mercedes. If you want to buy a new car every few years a BMW is as good as anything. If you want a car for 20 or 30 years, BMW will leave you flat. Thank Mercedes for making parts and service information available.

Couldn't be for reliability, oh no. :rolleyes:
Couldn't be for cost-effectiveness, as diesels are inexpensive and burn anything oil-based, oh no. :rolleyes:

HA HA!!! You're funny... "status"?!? What's that? Broke college student here who, BTW, spent ever penny of the $2000 out of my own pocket to buy my 123. :) Also, my other vehicle looks like a complete redneck rig :D

I bought my M-B for exactly three reasons...reliability, fuel economy, and ease of maintenance (read: I hate working on g@$ engines). My next vehicle will probably either be a 617-powered 126 sedan or a 617-powered 123 wagon (just for the extra space), although a small piece of me's seriously considering a VW TDi for the fuel economy...

Herr Leber, there's a fair contingent of diesel enthusiasts here, and a subculture of WVO/biodiesel people, so no, it's not about status for everyone. Mine certainly doesn't elevate my perceived status when I'm driving it :rolleyes:

So if you're against Benzes... well... I hate to say it but... you've had a look at the name of the forum you're on, right? You've noticed the URL? It a Mercedes forum.

I almost believe you since the cars you own(ed) are 190's and 944's no sane person seeking status would be seen with either.

Status yeah right. :D My old diesel is a status symbol, now thats a good joke.