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The High Brow Poetry Thread
Please post your favorite poem. Let us put on some beat music, don our berets, pour some hot espresso, and seek deep meaning in them. Or just post your favorite poem. Here is one I am currently struggling with the meaning of, written by New England's most famous poet, Robert Frost. The meaning of his poems still cause great controversy today. Feel free to give us your analysis or post your own enigmic rhyme.
TO EARTHWARD Love at the lips was touch As sweet as I could bear; And once that seemed too much; I lived on air That crossed me from sweet things, The flow of- was it musk From hidden grapevine springs Down hill at dusk? I had the swirl and ache From sprays of honeysuckle That when they're gathered shake Dew on the knuckle. I craved strong sweets, but those Seemed strong when I was young; The petal of the rose It was that stung. Now no joy but lacks salt That is not dashed with pain And weariness and fault; I crave the stain Of tears, the aftermark Of almost too much love, The sweet of bitter bark And burning clove. When stiff and sore and scarred I take away my hand From leaning on it hard In grass and sand, The hurt is not enough: I long for weight and strength To feel the earth as rough To all my length. |
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Getting older and realizing the mortality of it all; as the body wears down physically, and the emotions become less intense due to this as well. The mental strain of being too idealogical in love, etc. takes its timely toll as well. Until you can no longer let yourself go to that heightened place of sensation when you were young and everything was new. Back when you were still exploring/learning regardless of the cost.
My two cents. Alot more could be read into this poem. This to me, is the most obvious.
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I have of late,—but wherefore I know not,—lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o’erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire,—why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours. What a piece of work is man! How noble in reason! how infinite in faculties! in form and moving, how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension, how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals! And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me, nor woman neither.
One of my favorites.
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A Poison Tree
I was angry with my friend: I told my wrath, my wrath did end. I was angry with my foe; I told it not, my wrath did grow. And I water'd it in fears, Night & morning with my tears; And I sunned it with my smiles And with soft deceitful wiles. And it grew both day and night, Till it bore an apple bright; And my foe beheld it shine, And he knew that it was mine, And into my garden stole When the night had veil'd the pole: In the morning glad I see My foe outstretch'd beneath the tree William Blake This one seems particularly appropriate for OD.
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My love of the outdoors makes me a natural Robert Frost fan.
His work Mountain Interval is a favourite, as it is for many. It's most known for The Road Not Taken, but there are other great writings in it. Like Out, Out--... 'OUT, OUT--' The buzz-saw snarled and rattled in the yard And made dust and dropped stove-length sticks of wood, Sweet-scented stuff when the breeze drew across it. And from there those that lifted eyes could count Five mountain ranges one behind the other Under the sunset far into Vermont. And the saw snarled and rattled, snarled and rattled, As it ran light, or had to bear a load. And nothing happened: day was all but done. Call it a day, I wish they might have said To please the boy by giving him the half hour That a boy counts so much when saved from work. His sister stood beside them in her apron To tell them 'Supper'. At the word, the saw, As if to prove saws knew what supper meant, Leaped out at the boy's hand, or seemed to leap-- He must have given the hand. However it was, Neither refused the meeting. But the hand! The boy's first outcry was a rueful laugh. As he swung toward them holding up the hand Half in appeal, but half as if to keep The life from spilling. Then the boy saw all-- Since he was old enough to know, big boy Doing a man's work, though a child at heart-- He saw all spoiled. 'Don't let him cut my hand off The doctor, when he comes. Don't let him, sister!' So. But the hand was gone already. The doctor put him in the dark of ether. He lay and puffed his lips out with his breath. And then -- the watcher at his pulse took fright. No one believed. They listened at his heart. Little -- less -- nothing! -- and that ended it. No more to build on there. And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs. -------------------------------------------------------------- And Birches... BIRCHES When I see birches bend to left and right Across the lines of straighter darker trees, I like to think some boy's been swinging them. But swinging doesn't bend them down to stay. Ice-storms do that. Often you must have seen them Loaded with ice a sunny winter morning After a rain. They click upon themselves As the breeze rises, and turn many-coloured As the stir cracks and crazes their enamel. Soon the sun's warmth makes them shed crystal shells Shattering and avalanching on the snow-crust Such heaps of broken glass to sweep away You'd think the inner dome of heaven had fallen. They are dragged to the withered bracken by the load, And they seem not to break; though once they are bowed So low for long, they never right themselves: You may see their trunks arching in the woods Years afterwards, trailing their leaves on the ground, Like girls on hands and knees that throw their hair Before them over their heads to dry in the sun. But I was going to say when Truth broke in With all her matter-of-fact about the ice-storm, I should prefer to have some boy bend them As he went out and in to fetch the cows-- Some boy too far from town to learn baseball, Whose only play was what he found himself, Summer or winter, and could play alone. One by one he subdued his father's trees By riding them down over and over again Until he took the stiffness out of them, And not one but hung limp, not one was left For him to conquer. He learned all there was To learn about not launching out too soon And so not carrying the tree away Clear to the ground. He always kept his poise To the top branches, climbing carefully With the same pains you use to fill a cup Up to the brim, and even above the brim. Then he flung outward, feet first, with a swish, Kicking his way down through the air to the ground. So was I once myself a swinger of birches. And so I dream of going back to be. It's when I'm weary of considerations, And life is too much like a pathless wood Where your face burns and tickles with the cobwebs Broken across it, and one eye is weeping From a twig's having lashed across it open. I'd like to get away from earth awhile And then come back to it and begin over. May no fate wilfully misunderstand me And half grant what I wish and snatch me away Not to return. Earth's the right place for love: I don't know where it's likely to go better. I'd like to go by climbing a birch tree~ And climb black branches up a snow-white trunk Toward heaven, till the tree could bear no more, But dipped its top and set me down again. That would be good both going and coming back. One could do worse than be a swinger of birches.
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Frost's first work, A Boy's Will, is not nearly as popular as Mountain Interval, and is less developed in style, but it's simplicity is attractive...
Stars How countlessly they congregate O'er our tumultuous snow, Which flows in shapes as tall as trees When wintry winds do blow!-- As if with keeness for our fate, Our faltering few steps on To white rest, and a place of rest Invisible at dawn,-- And yet with neither love nor hate, Those starts like somw snow-white Minerva's snow-white marble eyes Without the gift of sight. And returning to Mountain Interval, we have to post Robert Frost's best known work, and with good reason, THE ROAD NOT TAKEN Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that the passing there Had worn them really about the same, And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.
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Those of us that grew up near mountains and aspired to climb them, read Canadian author Earle Birney's David with awe, and with saddness.
David David and I that summer cut trails on the Survey, All week in the valey for wages, in air that was steeped in the wail of mosquitoes, but over the sunalive week-ends we climbed, to get from the ruck of the camp, they surly Poker, the wrangling, the snoring under the fetid Tents, and because we had joy in our lengthening of coltish Muscles, and mountains for David were made to see over, Stairs fro the valleys and steps to the sun's retreats. Our first was Mount Gleam, We hiked in the long afternoon To a curling lake and lost the lure of the faceted Cone in the swell of its sprawing shoulders. Past The inlet we grilled our bacon, the strips festooned On a poplar prong, in the hurring slant of the sunset. Then the two of us rolled in the blanket while round us the cold Pines thrust at the stars. The dwan was a floating Of mists still we reached to the slopes above timber, and won To snow like fire in the sunlight. The peak was upthrust Like a fist in a frozen ocean of rock that swirled Into valleys the moon could be rolled in. Remotely unfurling Eastward the alien prairie glittered. Down through the dusty Skree on the west we descended, and David showed me How to use the give of shale for fiant incredible Strides. I remember, before the larches' edge, That I jumped on a long green surf of juniper flowing Away from the wind, and landed in gentian and saxifrage Spilled on the moss, Then the darkening firs And the sudden whirning of water that knifed down a fern-hidden Cliff and spashed unseen into mist in the shadows. One Sunday on Rampart's arête a rainsquall caught us, And passed, and we clung by our blueing fingers and bootnails An endless hour in the sun, not daring to move Till the ice had steamed from the slate. And David taught me How time on a knife-edge can pass with the guessing of fragments Remembered from poets, the naming of strata beside one, And matching of stories from schooldays ... We crawled astride The peak to feast on the marching ranges flagged By the fading shreds of the shattered stomcloud, Lingering there it was David who spied to the south, remote, And unmapped, a sunlit spire on Sawback, an overhang Crooked like a talon. David named it the Finger. That day we chanced on the skull and the splayed white ribs Of a mountina goat underneath a cliff, caught On a rock. Around were the silken feathers of hawks. And that was the first I knew that a goat could slip. And when Inglismaldie. Now I remember only The long ascent of the lonely valley, the live Pine spirally scarred by lightning, the slicing pipe Or invisible pike, and great prints, by the lowest Snow, of a grizzly. There it was too that David Taught me to read the scroll of coral in limestone And the beetle-seal in the shale of ghostly trilobites, Letters delivered to man from the Cambrian waves. On Sundance we tried from the col and the going was hard. The air howled from our feet to the smudged rocks And the papery lake below. At an outthrust we balked Till David clung with his left to a dint in the scarp, Lobbed the iceaxe over the rocky lip, Slipped from his holds and hung by the quivering pick, Twisted his long legs up into space and kicked To the crest. Then, grinning, he reached with his frecked wrist And drew me up after. We set a new time for that climb. That day returning we found a robin gyrating In grass, wing-broken. I caught i to tame but David Took and killed it, and said, "Could you teach it to fly?" In August, the second attempt, we ascended The Fortress. By the Forks of the Spray we caught five trout and fried them Over a balsam fire. The woods were alive With the vaulting of mule-deer and drenched with clouds all the morning, Till we burst at noon to the flashing and floating round Of the peaks. Coming down we picked in our hats the bright And sunhot raspberries, eating them under a might Spruce, while marten moving like quicksilver scouted us. But we always talked of the Finger on Sawback, unknown And hooked, till the first afternoon in September we slogged Through the musky woods, past a swamp that quivered with frog-song, And camped by a bottle-green lake. But under the cold Breath of the glacier sleep would not come, the moonlight Etching the finger. We rose and trod past the feathery Larch, while the stars went out, and the quiet heather Flushed, and the skyline pulsed with the surging bloom Of incredible dawn in the Rockies. David spotted Bighorns across the moraine and sent them leaping With yodels the ramparts redoubled and rolled to the peaks, And the peaks to the sun. The ice in the morning thaw Was a gurgling would of crustal and could blue chasms, And seracs that shone like frozen salt-green waves. And the base of the Finger we tried once and failed. Then David Edged to the west and discovered the chimney; the last Hundred feet we fought the rock and shouldered and kneed Our way for an hour and made it. Unroping we formed A cairn on the rotting tip. Then I turned to look north At the glistening wedge of giant Assiniboine, heedless Of handhold. And one foot gave. I swayed and shouted. David turned sharp and reached out his arm and steadied me Turning again with a grin and his lips ready To jest. But the strain crumbled his foothold. Without A gasp he was gone. I froze to the sound of grating Edge-nails and fingers, the slither of stones, the lone Second of silence, the nightmare thud. The only The wind and the muted beat of unknowing cascades. Somehow I worked down the fifty impossible feet To the ledge, calling and getting no answer but echoes Released in the cirque, and trying no to reflect What an answer would mean. He lay still, with his lean Young face upturned and strangely unmarred, but his legs Splayed beneath him, beside the final drop, Six hundred feet sheer to the ice. My throat stopped When I reached him, for he was alive. He opened his grey Straight eyes and brokenly murmured, "over... over." And I, feeling beneath him a cruel fang Of the ledge thrust in his back, but not understanding, Mumbled stupidly, "Best not to move," and spoke of his pain. But he said "I can't move ... If only I felt Some pain." Then my shame stung the tears to my eyes As I crouched, and I cursed myself, but he cried Louder, "No, Bobbie! Don't ever blame yourself. I didn't test my foothold." He shut the lids Of his eyes to the stare of the sky, while I moistened his lips From our water flask and tearing my shirt into strips I swabbed the shredded hands. But the blood slid From his side and stained the stone and the thirsting lichens, And yet I dared not lift him up from the gore Of the rock. Then he whispered, "Bob, I want to go over!" This time I knew what he meant and I grasped for a lie And said, "I'll be back here by midnight with ropes And men from the camp and we'll cradle you out." But I knew That the day and the night must pass and the cold dews Of another morning before such men unknowing The way of mountains could win to the chimney's top. And the, how long? And he knew ... and the hell of hours After that, if he lived till we came, roping him out. But I curled beside him and whispered, "The bleeding will stop. You can last. "He said only, "Perhaps ... For what? A wheelchair, Bob?" His eyes brightening with fever upbraided me. I could not look at him more and said, "Then I'll stay With you." But he did not speak, for the clouding fever. I lay dazed and stared at the long valley, The glistening hair of a creek on the rug stretched By the firs, while the sun leaned round and flooded the ledge, The moss, and David still as a broken doll
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David, con't
I hunched on my knees to leave, but he called and his voice
Now was sharpened with fear. "For Christ's sake push me over! If I could move ... or die ..." The sweat ran from his forehead But only his head moved. A hawk was buoying Blackly its wings over the wrinkled ice. The purr of a waterfall rose and sank with the wind. Above us climbed the last joint of the Finger Beckoning bleakly the wide indifferent sky. Even then in the sun it grew cold lying there ... And I knew He had tested his holds. It was I who had not ... I looked At the blood on the ledge, and the far valley. I looked At last in his eyes. He breathed, "I'd do it for you, Bob." I will not remember how or why I could twist Up th wind-deviled peak, and down through the chimney's empty Horror, and over the traverse alone. I remember Only the pounding fear i would stumble on It When I came to the grave-cold maw of the bergschrund ... reeling Over the sun-cankered snowbridge, shying the caves In the névé ... the fear, and the need to make sure It was there On the ice, the running and falling and running, leaping Of gaping green-throated crevasses, alone and pursued By the Finger's lengthening shadow. At last through the fanged And blinding seracs I slid to the milky wrangling Falls at the glacier's snout, through the rocks piled huge On the humped moraine, and into the spectral larches, Alone, By the glooming lake I sank and chilled My mouth but I could not rest and stumbled still To the valley, losing my way in the ragged marsh. I was glad of the mire that covered the stains, on my ripped Boots, of his blood, but panic was on me, the creek Of the bog, the purple glimmer of toadstools obscene In the twilight. I staggered clear to a firewaste, tripped And fell with a shriek on my shoulder. It somehow eased My heart to know I was hurt, but I did not faint And I could not stop while over me hung the range Of the Sawback. In blackness I searched for the trail by the creek And found it ... My feet squelched a slug and horror Rose again in my nostrils. I hurled myself Down the path. In the woods behind some animal yelped. Then I saw the glimmer of tents and babbled my story. I said that he fell straight to the ice where they found him, And none but the sun and incurious clouds have lingered Around the marks of that day on the ledge of the Finger, That day, the last of my youth, on the last of our mountains.
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'twas The Night Before Christmas
'twas The Night Before Christmas, He Lived All Alone In A One Bedroom House Made Of Plaster And Stone. I Had Come Down The Chimney With Presents To Give, And To See Just Who In This Home Did Live. I Looked All About; A Strange Sight I Did See: No Tinsel, No Presents, Not Even A Tree. No Stocking By Mantle, Just Boots Filled With Sand. On The Wall Hung Pictures Of Far Distant Lands... With Medals And Badges, Awards Of All Kinds... A Sober Thought Came Through My Mind. For This House Was Different. It Was Dark And Dreary. I Found A Home Of A Soldier, Once I Could See Clearly. The Soldier Lay Sleeping-- Silent, Alone-- Curled Up On The Floor In This One Bedroom Home. The Face Was So Gentle, The Room In Disorder; Not How I Pictured A United States Soldier. Was This The Hero Of Who I'd Just Read? Curled Up On A Poncho; The Floor For A Bed? I Realized The Families That I Saw This Night Owed Their Lives To This Soldier Who Was Willing To Fight. Soon 'round The World The Children Would Play, And Grownups Would Celebrate A Bright Christmas Day. They All Enjoy Freedom Each Month Of The Year Because Of The Soldiers Like The One Lying Here. I Couldn't Help Wonder How Many Lay Alone On A Cold Christmas Eve, In A Land Far From Home. The Very Thought Brought A Tear To My Eye. I Dropped To My Knees And Started To Cry. The Soldier Awakened And I Heard A Rough Voice, "santa, Don't Cry. This Life Is My Choice." "i Fight For Freedom. I Don't Ask For More. My Life Is My God, My Country, My Corps." The Soldier Rolled Over And Drifted To Sleep. I Couldn't Control It; I Continued To Weep. I Kept Watch For Hours, So Silent And Still; And We Both Shivered From The Cold Night's Chill. I Didn't Want To Leave On That Cold, Dark Night-- This Guardian Of Honor, So Willing To Fight. Then The Soldier Rolled Over And With A Voice, Soft And Pure, Whispered, "carry On, Santa. It's Christmas Day, All's Secure." One Look At My Watch And I Knew He Was Right. "merry Christmas, My Friend, And To All, A Good Night." |
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A lot of Frost deals with the theme of how fleeting and impermanent the world has become, a process even more accelarated in our day and age. Two poems in particular stand out:
Robert Frost - Nothing Gold Can Stay Nature's first green is gold, Her hardest hue to hold. Her early leaf's a flower; But only so an hour. Then leaf subsides to leaf. So Eden sank to grief, So dawn goes down to day. Nothing gold can stay. FIRE AND ICE Some say the world will end in fire, Some say in ice. From what I've tasted of desire I hold with those who favour fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate To say that for destruction ice Is also great And would suffice. |
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Where to now St. Peter? I took myself a blue canoe And I floated like a leaf Dazzling, dancing Half enchanted In my Merlin sleep Crazy was the feeling Restless were my eyes Insane they took the paddles My arms they paralysed So where to now St. Peter If it's true I'm in your hands I may not be a Christian But I've done all one man can I understand I'm on the road Where all that was is gone So where to now St. Peter Show me which road I'm on Which road I'm on It took a sweet young foreign gun This lazy life is short Something for nothing always ending With a bad report Dirty was the daybreak Sudden was the change In such a silent place as this Beyond the rifle range I took myself a blue canoe Last edited by KirkVining; 12-06-2004 at 09:33 PM. |
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Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori
Wilfred Owen
Dulce et Decorum est Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs, And towards our distant rest began to trudge. Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots, But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind; Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots Of gas-shells dropping softly behind. Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! — An ecstasy of fumbling Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time, But someone still was yelling out and stumbling And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime. — Dim through the misty panes and thick green light, As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams before my helpless sight He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin, If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs Bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, — My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
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Blackmercedes "Out, Out" is based on an actual event that Frost read about in a newspaper article. A moving poem. "Mending Wall" and "Design" are probably my favorite Frost poems, so I guess I'll post them for all to enjoy (although enjoy is not really the correct word for Frost's poetry, is it?). I'm finishing up a college course on Frost, Dickinson and Eliot. Frost is the superior of these three imho.
Mending Wall Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it, And spills the upper boulders in the sun; And makes gaps even two can pass abreast. The work of hunters is another thing: I have come after them and made repair Where they have left not one stone on a stone, But they would have the rabbit out of hiding, To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean, No one has seen them made or heard them made, But at spring mending-time we find them there. I let my neighbour know beyond the hill; And on a day we meet to walk the line And set the wall between us once again. We keep the wall between us as we go. To each the boulders that have fallen to each. And some are loaves and some so nearly balls We have to use a spell to make them balance: "Stay where you are until our backs are turned!" We wear our fingers rough with handling them. Oh, just another kind of out-door game, One on a side. It comes to little more: There where it is we do not need the wall: He is all pine and I am apple orchard. My apple trees will never get across And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him. He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours." Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder If I could put a notion in his head: "Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it Where there are cows? But here there are no cows. Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offence. Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him, But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather He said it for himself. I see him there Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed. He moves in darkness as it seems to me, Not of woods only and the shade of trees. He will not go behind his father's saying, And he likes having thought of it so well He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours." Design I found a dimpled spider, fat and white, On a white heal-all, holding up a moth Like a white piece of rigid satin cloth— Assorted characters of death and blight Mixed ready to begin the morning right, Like the ingredients of a witches' broth— A snow-drop spider, a flower like a froth, And dead wings carried like a paper kite. What had that flower to do with being white, The wayside blue and innocent heal-all? What brought the kindred spider to that height, Then steered the white moth thither in the night? What but design of darkness to appall?— If design govern in a thing so small.
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There once was a liberated Ms,
Who thought herself a social Ws. She had an invention, With equalizing intention. A method for standing to Ps. ok, so maybe that doesn't quite meet most people's idea of "highbrow"
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I had heard that song before, but never really listened to the words. Very good work. EJ & Bernie have done some very good stuff. |
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