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Old 02-25-2005, 10:23 AM
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Exclamation So, the suicide thread got deleted? Please read regarding political/religious threads

sheesh.
Ok. Let's start an oil thread.

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Old 02-25-2005, 10:28 AM
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Unbelievable -- I guess it was just too interesting....
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Old 02-25-2005, 10:36 AM
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I've never really complained about the moderation here. I just figure it's their house, so be it.
But...............

Guess I better shut up. Don't wanna get banned.



So, what ya think about Delo oil in diesels?
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Old 02-25-2005, 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I deleted it, wanna talk about it?

It was even assumed in the thread that it was probably not appropriate for this forum. I noted it was there, but decided to leave it for a short while. I am starting to think about this a little: What if I would allow a couple political or religion threads at a time with the agreement that you can post on them for a day or two, then I delete it? Does that work for anyone, or a poor compromise? If flaming/shouting breaks out, it gets deleted right away, if it's kept civil it may remain a little longer. If I note it's always the same person flaming/shouting, it might have an impact on your longevity as a member. And I realize the whiners are just as big of a problem as the instigators, I do try to look at this objectively, everyone is just going to have to get along, so this time I may have to consider taking into account that certain people are more sensitve to being shouted at and suggest they don't participate in OD if they are too thin-skinned. But I don't want to have alot of political/religious threads, just a FEW at a time, with the understanding that for no apparent reason (probably just my gut reaction to the general direction the thread is going, in otherwords when it starts to get "ugly") the thread will be deleted, and also remember I am taking NOTES on if it's always the same person who gets uncivil. And also let's keep it to THREE total threads to see how it goes, if it goes over that I will delete whichever one I feel like to keep it to that.
If it's not working out, I will "throw a flag" on it so you all know.

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Old 02-25-2005, 04:50 PM
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WOW!
Never saw a thread get ressurected like this. I deleted this myself.
Yeah, I'm the guilty party on this one(in part anyway). But I guess maybe we should define what constitutes a "religous discussion". It was basically generic, and only used as a reference point. I didn't see any kind of this religion or that religion-type thing that has caused the problems before.
Hey, I'll play by the rules, whatever you decide. I'm on your side(mostly). Just as long as we know what the rules are.
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Old 02-25-2005, 04:59 PM
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Just my opinion, but thread was not political at all and only mildly religious. I'm certain the thread starter didn't intend for it to become religious at all. The discussion was interesting, informative and quite civil. I saw no problem with it, but of course have no idea if you had received complaints.

Also, just a suggestion, but how about locking rather than deleting and adding a brief commentary, such as "thread locked -- getting unruly" or "locked -- inappropriate topic". Once folks here see that pattern, they'll have a better idea where the lines are drawn. Sorry for the interruption -- carry on...
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Also, just a suggestion, but how about locking rather than deleting and adding a brief commentary, such as "thread locked -- getting unruly" or "locked -- inappropriate topic". Once folks here see that pattern, they'll have a better idea where the lines are drawn. Sorry for the interruption -- carry on...
I agree with the idea of limited political/religious threads.

However, there is a problem when you simply go and delete the thread. My problem with it is that I have no idea of what the transgression was. So, I am left in a quandry of what is acceptable to post and what is not acceptable to post. Furthermore, I am very annoyed that all of the effort put into the individual posts in the thread is now gone. This has occurred in the DD with a thread on what is inside typical oil filters. It was a fantastic thread and quite long. Two individuals stepped down to insulting each other and the entire thread was deleted. This is grossly unfair to every other member who posted on the thread.

It would be highly beneficial for you to note a specific offending post with the note "moderator objects" or similar, and then lock the thread. Then, everyone can see where you are coming from and all the guesses as to what is appropriate and what is not are eliminated. Furthermore, the posts that are not offensive, and valuable, are retained.
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:45 PM
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I agree with the idea of limited political/religious threads.

However, there is a problem when you simply go and delete the thread. My problem with it is that I have no idea of what the transgression was. So, I am left in a quandry of what is acceptable to post and what is not acceptable to post. Furthermore, I am very annoyed that all of the effort put into the individual posts in the thread is now gone. This has occurred in the DD with a thread on what is inside typical oil filters. It was a fantastic thread and quite long. Two individuals stepped down to insulting each other and the entire thread was deleted. This is grossly unfair to every other member who posted on the thread.

It would be highly beneficial for you to note a specific offending post with the note "moderator objects" or similar, and then lock the thread. Then, everyone can see where you are coming from and all the guesses as to what is appropriate and what is not are eliminated. Furthermore, the posts that are not offensive, and valuable, are retained.
How about just banning you. That would solve two problems at once.
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:48 PM
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I was under the apparently mistaken impression that Republicans and Democrats, Christians and Atheists all died. My apologies.
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:51 PM
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Well, if we continue to go 'round and 'round about this, I predict the Open Discussion forum will be deleted again.
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:55 PM
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I thought that the policy of no political or religeous threads meant none !! Now it means some ! Yeah, I give it a week and it'll be so out of hand OD will be history.
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:14 PM
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I thought that the policy of no political or religeous threads meant none !! Now it means some ! Yeah, I give it a week and it'll be so out of hand OD will be history.
You don't need to get fatalistic before the posts even begin. With proper moderation, everyone will quickly get on the same page and it could be quite successful.
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:24 PM
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Never saw a thread get ressurected like this
I can do that. I'm a moderator.

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But I guess maybe we should define what constitutes a "religous discussion"
Hard to define I guess. "Any topic discussing organized religion, unorganized religion, sprituality, atheism, or warm fuzzy feelings towards anything other than another human, your MB, truck, boat, toolbox or job. Discussing wedding plans, a wedding reception you attended IF beer was served, or a funeral you had to attend or death of someone you know is OK, but don't get too deep about it. Details on the beer at the reception is also OK, but be advised my taste in beer isn't very worldly"

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I'm certain the thread starter didn't intend for it to become religious at all.
Agreed, but that's not the point. Eventually even an oil thread can become political or religious.

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I saw no problem with it, but of course have no idea if you had received complaints.
No complaints. The problem with it is it was delving deeper into being a "religious" thread. NO political or religious threads are allowed(other than what is being discussed, the "3 thread" idea). Sorry, I know you are all "big boys" and don't need to be told what you can and can't do. Maybe you don't see the problem with, oh I don't know, driving 90mph in a school zone, but that doesn't mean it's allowed.

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It would be highly beneficial for you to note a specific offending post with the note "moderator objects" or similar, and then lock the thread
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How about just banning you. That would solve two problems at once.
Moderator objects.........
My style isn't to lock threads, I don't want locked or "dead" threads, so I will stick with my original offer. You can get as unruly as you want, it won't be around much anyways. The more unruly, the shorter the time. To me it's sort of like collecting "junk" anyways, if I save it or it stays around, eventually it just falls to the bottom of the heap anyways. WHO is going to benefit later from it anyways? It's different with a tech post. Right now if say there are a bunch of pre-election posts from several months ago, WHO goes back and looks at that junk? SAME for "what is the best lawnmower" threads or some other such trivial stuff. Keep things in perspective, WHO CARES 6 months from now about a political debate on OD? No one.

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Old 02-25-2005, 07:29 PM
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You don't need to get fatalistic

Be honest now, you made up that word , didn't you!!
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:30 PM
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I give it a week and it'll be so out of hand OD will be history.
Thank you so much for your vote of confidence, yes I'm such a lax and lazy moderator I'm just going to let OD go to hell in a handbasket (PS the use of the word "hell" in a post doesn't make it religious).

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