Hasn't it occurred to anyone that these fanatics have been a bit quiet lately?

There are so many small things they could do that would destroy out psyche, that it makes me wonder if:

They are as organized as they have been made out to be.

Are they waiting to hit a homerun.

Is our govt security apparatus better than we think.

It's not that easy to pull off a terrorist attack?

Thoughts!

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I have stated this in the past.

There will be no terrorist attack by Al Queda in the U.S. for a period of 10 years after 9/11.

These people are very methodical and patient. Planning such an attack requires immense effort and slow and careful assembly of people and parts. This cannot even begin to happen until the U.S. calms down and is not as vigilant.

After the country gets back to business as usual, and it eventually will, then Al Queda, if it exists in a sufficiently cohesive group, may attempt another attack.

You cannot credit this administration with stopping anything. However, the significant alert status to even slight misbehavior by any Muslim citizen or non-citizen will certainly be noticed by Al Queda. They will simply bide their time until the future. No need to attack the U.S. when it is already running around like a stupid chicken with no head.

They bought the design rights off of FORD.......and you wondered what they did with all those old Pinto Fuel Tanks......

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I don't believe there was ever a single Al Queda. From my reading of the gov's 9/11 report, the thing was too loose even to call it a confederation.

Al queda was and is truly, "the base". It is that which all radical Islamic terrorists hold in common. It is not a single organized entity with a heirarchy that can be disassembled. Rather, it is an information and resource sharing network, largely funded by Bin Laden originally but also funded through front organizations.

For these reasons, Bin laden is important as a symbol to us and to his confreres, but he is not a keystone without which Al Queda will collapse. The genius of Al Queda is this: It is not intended to ever be a government. It has no goals other than to rid Islamic lands of infidels and create a world safe for a peculiar brand of Islam to thrive and expand. By any means necessary. Since it is stateless and has no political ambition, it requires little to no infrastructure or bureaucracy.

So to that degree, I agree with Brian. No American administration since Al Queda started targeting western interests has been able to destroy it. Clinton's admin degraded it in some areas but generally lacked the political will and Congressional interest in pursuing Al Queda. The same was true of Bush right up until 9/11. The attacks of 9/11 allowed the politico/military leadership in the USA and allied nations to focus attention on Al Queda and the result has been serious, worldwide dissolution of what previously had been growing cells. At this time no cells are growing.

But like Brian said, they are patient. They will survive the current assault even if we keep pressuring them for decades and kill all of the top leadership. Because the Al Quedistas recognize that they are in a multigenerational conflict and that God is on their side. They view western civilization as just another crusade to defeat in the name of Islam.

But degrading them does allow us (the world) to work on the other side of our strategy--modernization and democratization of the Islamic world. People who are free to choose their own destiny are far less likely to feel powerlessness against The Great Satan.

That's the point. Despite their much-lauded patient "centuries long war" perspective, radical Islam is a movement of the last 20-30 years, rising at a certain time in response to a specific set of circumstances. The "War on Terrorism" has denied the core funding/training/co-ordinating elements (Bin Laden, Zawahiri, etc.) a hassle-free training zone to pass on the lessons they learned a decade before in Afghanistan, and to teach the specific tools of the terrorist trade. Eventually, the highly trained guys are dead, and the enthusiastic young bucks enraged by Iraq, etc., are sent into battle of whatever sort without much training, and are either arrested or turned into chum for target practice - the same thing happened to the pre-war British regulars in 1914 and the Wehrmacht in 1943. The decentralized nature of Al Qaeda keeps the core leaders safe with no trail to them, but also ensures that junior cells with little training are broken up on a regular basis for making stupid rookie mistakes. In the meantime, times change and so does the middle east. Al Qaeda failed to launch the spontaneous uprisings against "lackey regimes" it planned throughout the region - if the "success" of 9/11 and the Afghan and Iraqi invasions didn't do it, nothing is likely to, since we've put the fear of "Psycho George" (and the jihadis) into a bunch of regimes that were previously fairly tolerant of this crap, and the real WOT has to be waged by those regimes internally, not by us. Within a decade or two, things will change enough that Radical Islam will be as outdated and silly as radical 60s Marxism is today, and old jihadis will be sitting around cafes talking about the good old days and spouting slogans that only they believe.

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Al Qaeda shifts their attention to Europe for now. Two reaons: it is much harder to launch another attack after 9/11, we are more prepared; they can blend in much easier in Europe as oppose here in the U.S. Even my Swedish friend told me every year she goes home to visit, there seems to be more "dark" skin people from Middle Eastern descent than the year before.

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Al Qaeda has infiltrated the Democratic party.......

And FORD.....their agents just anounced they are bringing back the Pinto......

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Man if that happens the terrorist win!

An unholy alliance
Aryan Nation leader reaches out to al Qaeda
By Henry Schuster
CNN



Editor's Note: Henry Schuster, a senior producer in CNN's Investigative Unit, has been covering terrorism for more than a decade. Each week in "Tracking Terror," he reports on the people and organizations driving international and domestic terrorism and efforts to combat those. He is the author of the newly published book, "Hunting Eric Rudolph."

SEBRING, Florida (CNN) -- A couple of hours up the road from where some September 11 hijackers learned to fly, the new head of Aryan Nation is praising them -- and trying to create an unholy alliance between his white supremacist group and al Qaeda.

"You say they're terrorists, I say they're freedom fighters. And I want to instill the same jihadic feeling in our peoples' heart, in the Aryan race, that they have for their father, who they call Allah."

With his long beard and potbelly, August Kreis looks more like a washed up member of ZZ Top than an aspiring revolutionary.

Don't let appearances fool you: his résumé includes stops at some of America's nastiest extremist groups -- Posse Comitatus, the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nation.

"I don't believe that they were the ones that attacked us," Kreis said. "And even if they did, even if you say they did, I don't care!"

Kreis wants to make common cause with al Qaeda because, he says, they share the same enemies: Jews and the American government.

The terms they use may be different: White supremacists call them ZOG, the Zionist Occupation Government, while al Qaeda calls them the Jews and Crusaders.

But the hatred is the same. And Kreis wants to exploit that.

A Nation in turmoil
The best thing that can be said about August Kreis is that he has helped preside over the decline of the once-feared Aryan Nation, a movement inspired by the racist tenets of Nazi Germany. He cannot or will not say how many followers the group now has.

What's clear is that Aryan Nation had a violent streak aligned with its anti-Semitic and racist ideology. One of its followers, Buford Furrow, received two life sentences, plus 110 years, for an August 1999 shooting spree in which he shot and wounded four children and one adult at a Jewish community center in the Los Angeles suburb of Granada Hills. Furrow then drove to nearby Chatsworth, California, where he shot and killed a Filipino-American postal carrier.

Others had been accused of involvement in bank robberies, shootouts with authorities and the murders of blacks and others.

More recently, the Aryan Nation lost its Hayden Lake, Idaho, compound, after losing a civil suit led by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Last year, founder Richard Butler died just as the group's leaders were fighting amongst themselves.

Around that time, Kreis tried to open up shop for Aryan Nation in northern Pennsylvania, but got run out by locals. Now he is in Sebring, Florida, and, although his rhetoric is full of revolution and defiance, he wanted to meet our CNN crew at a local park because he didn't want trouble from his neighbors.

You might think white supremacists like Kreis would spurn al Qaeda, since they tend to view non-Aryan Christians as, in their own term, "mud people." In fact, most of them do. But Kreis wants to change that.

"That's old-school racism, white supremacy, this is something new," he said. "We have to be realists and realize what didn't work [previously] isn't going to work in the future."

Supremacist, Islamist connections
The idea of a Nazi-Islamic alliance dates back to World War II, when Adolf Hitler played host to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, that city's Muslim leader. Some Nazis, moreover, found refuge in places like Egypt and Syria after the war.

Three years ago, I met a Swiss Islamic convert named Ahmed Huber, who began his life as a devotee of Adolf Hitler and moved on to praising former Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini, who led that nation's Islamic revolution and vigorously opposed U.S. policies.

Huber wanted to forge a fresh alliance between Islamic radicals and neo-Nazis in Europe and the United States. And he cannot be simply dismissed as a crackpot: Huber served on the board of directors of a Swiss bank and holding company that President Bush accused of helping fund al Qaeda.

Mark Potok, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, said that while some U.S. extremists applauded the September 11 attacks, there is no indication of such an alliance -- at least not yet, and not on a large scale. If it exists anywhere, he said, it is in the mind (and the Internet postings) of August Kreis.

For its part, the FBI says it hasn't seen any links between American white supremacists and groups like al Qaeda.

"The notion of radical Islamists from abroad actually getting together with American neo-Nazis I think is an absolutely frightening one," said Potok. "It's just that so far we really have no evidence at all to suggest this is any kind of real collaboration."

So while August Kreis may be calling, there is no sign that al Qaeda is listening.

But that hasn't stopped him. As we ended our interview, we asked Kreis if he had any message for Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants.

"The message is, the cells are out here and they are already in place," Kreis said. "They might not be cells of Islamic people, but they are here and they are ready to fight."



Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/29/schuster.column

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Bill CLinton is allied with Al Qaeda.

Thats why he refused to accept OBL back when Sudan offered him up.....THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.

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you sure you're not working for the shrub? or at least the faux propaganda machine... nicely underestimated...

otherwise you're pretty on...

as to eu. being less prepared and vigilant... hahahaha whatever... the security is a joke in the US... i am still surprised that jahadists haven't done anything here yet but i think they are holding out for the "home run"

as to the heard being thinned etc... i think it's actually the opposite... al-qaeda is actually growing by leaps and bounds... we actually help to spread it all over the world.. and will have to deal with them again on a major scale in the future.. maybe not as a force but definately the idea has been set to the winds and just like seeds, it's spreading and growing in places we haven't and may never reach.... i think it was imperative to get OBL right after 9/11 but it's a bit late now... not that i wouldn't like to see his arse in US custody at gitmo...

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