Random search in NY subways? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

dkveuro · #1 07-28-2005, 12:36 PM

Thinking out loud......If you have the intention of doing harm in the subways of NY, there's no problem...Why ? Because the stop and search is voluntary.

If you do not submit to a search, you cannot ride the trains, so, you can walk out of the subway...walk a few blocks and enter another subway, repeat this exersise util entering a subway without being searched.

Does this sound like searches on a voluntary/random basis are a waste of time ?

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boneheaddoctor · #2 07-28-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

Thinking out loud......If you have the intention of doing harm in the subways of NY, there's no problem...Why ? Because the stop and search is voluntary.

If you do not submit to a search, you cannot ride the trains, so, you can walk out of the subway...walk a few blocks and enter another subway, repeat this exersise util entering a subway without being searched.

Does this sound like searches on a voluntary/random basis are a waste of time ?

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You can thank the liberals for that....

Becasue heaven forbid you apply racial profiling to Middle eastern Islamic terrorists.

dkveuro · #3 07-28-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

You can thank the liberals for that....

Becasue heaven forbid you apply racial profiling to Middle eastern Islamic terrorists.

........but NYPD is notorious for racial profiling....I seem to remember something about 47 bullets .

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boneheaddoctor · #4 07-28-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

........but NYPD is notorious for racial profiling....I seem to remember something about 47 bullets .

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yeah...but if they admit to it in searching potiential terrorists the ACLU will be after them for violating the rights of the terrorists.

dkveuro · #5 07-28-2005, 12:47 PM

So why ain't the ACLU protecting the civilian women and children's rights who have been killed in Iraq/Afganistan/etal ?

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boneheaddoctor · #6 07-28-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

So why ain't the ACLU protecting the civilian women and children's rights who have been killed in Iraq/Afganistan/etal ?

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The ACLU is not what they pretend to be....they have no problems with the Terrorists killing civilians..

dkveuro · #7 07-28-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

The ACLU is not what they pretend to be....they have no problems with the Terrorists killing civilians..

Dunno about you....but the word .." Hypocrisy" springs to mind.

But, back to the plot......Do you feel more/less secure in a subway now ?

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boneheaddoctor · #8 07-28-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dkveuro

Dunno about you....but the word .." Hypocricy" springs to mind.

But, back to the plot......Do you feel more/less secure in a subway now ?

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Can't comment...I havent been on a subway in 2 years. BUt I would feel far safer if this "Racial Profiling" paranoia was dropped and people went after the most likely suspects.

sfloriII · #9 07-28-2005, 01:30 PM

This happened just yesterday:

I was directing a program over at the IRS headquarters in MD.

To enter the facility, I have to go through a scanner, as well as my bag, etc. I then show my liscense and have to be signed in by an employee.

Around lunchtime, there was a fire alert. They evacuated the building.

I and a few of my workmates who also aren't IRS emplyees re-entered without ANY security.

Makes you wonder how easy it'd be to call in a bomb scare, then have several people attemt to re-enter. One is bound to make it in. Then what??

The security in many of these government buildings is pretty much a joke. Cars are routinely looked around and under, but not in the trunk! I guess no one hides bombs there unless they're in England.

Last week I entered the IRS headquarters with a box cutter in my bag. I wasn't stopped. I didn't even realize it was there until the next day when I was "caught" and it was confiscated until I exited at the end of the day.

boneheaddoctor · #10 07-28-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sfloriII

This happened just yesterday:

I was directing a program over at the IRS headquarters in MD.

To enter the facility, I have to go through a scanner, as well as my bag, etc. I then show my liscense and have to be signed in by an employee.

Around lunchtime, there was a fire alert. They evacuated the building.

I and a few of my workmates who also aren't IRS emplyees re-entered without ANY security.

Makes you wonder how easy it'd be to call in a bomb scare, then have several people attemt to re-enter. One is bound to make it in. Then what??

The security in many of these government buildings is pretty much a joke. Cars are routinely looked around and under, but not in the trunk! I guess no one hides bombs there unless they're in England.

Last week I entered the IRS headquarters with a box cutter in my bag. I wasn't stopped. I didn't even realize it was there until the next day when I was "caught" and it was confiscated until I exited at the end of the day.

Dang..the Federal offices I enter have 100% X-ray of bags, physical check, and metal detectors to pass......EVERY time....but I guess everyplace is not the same.

sfloriII · #11 07-29-2005, 01:51 AM

Both the IRS and HUD have all that, minus the physical check.

The Ronald Reagan building does look in the trunk.

boneheaddoctor · #12 07-29-2005, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sfloriII

Both the IRS and HUD have all that, minus the physical check.

The Ronald Reagan building does look in the trunk.

I can't openly comment which places I deal with..but some are in DC. Some are across the river and some are up in MD.

I've been in the RR Building back just before it opened and agin afterwards a few times but its been years since i was last there.

Brian Carlton · #13 07-29-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by narwhal

btw, I am ok with random searches and racial profiling on all forms of public transportation.

We ought to have a thread on racial profiling. It's quite a subject. I torn in both directions on it.

Botnst · #14 07-29-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

We ought to have a thread on racial profiling. It's quite a subject. I torn in both directions on it.

Stay with us, Brave Heart.

AustinsCE · #15 07-29-2005, 06:45 PM

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