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[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

If anything, the newer info Bush had was indicating that WMD's were even more of a problem than previously thought.

Really? Let's have the details on that. Are you referring to the drones that Bush said could carry chemical or biological agents into the U.S.? You know, the one that turned out to be a piece of crap that looked like a bad high school science project? Oh, yeah. Saddam could have taken over the country with that one.

Kerry believed he had them also, and Kerry actually supported the war, till he needed to be against it when running for office.

I believe you are completely wrong with this one. Kerry lost a lot of support when he said he would still have voted to authorize the war, even if he had known that Saddam had no WMD. So, what are you referring to? When did Kerry turn against the war? Maybe he did and I'm just not remembering it.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

...So, he planned it a long time ago, planned it from the very beginning, but he didnt plan enough for it ...

He and his people planned plenty to get rid of Saddam. They just didn't plan for what would come next.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

...Oh, refering to it as an "experiment" is bad? Hmmm, me thinks of the Gettysburg address,,Lincoln referred to the founding fathers breaking from England and forming a new union as an "experiment" in democracy.

To paraphrase the immortal Lloyd Bentson, W is no Lincoln.

God, I still love thinking about Bentson laying into Quayle. That was the best political line of all time.

[Austin85]

How many senators have their kids enlisted and fighting in Iraq?

How many well to do Bush supporters getting his tax breaks have their kids enlisted ????

[Honus]

Originally Posted by MedMech

impeach impeach impeach

Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant.

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by Austin85

How many senators have their kids enlisted and fighting in Iraq?

How many well to do Bush supporters getting his tax breaks have their kids enlisted ????

What's the price of tea in China? How many moon rocks are in New Zealand?

B

[luvrpgrl]

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

Originally Posted by MedMech

impeach impeach impeach

Ahhh, but didnt you know, if the Dems say it, its a mistake, if Bush says it, its a lie.

But hey, no double standards here.

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by dculkin

Really? Let's have the details on that. Are you referring to the drones that Bush said could carry chemical or biological agents into the U.S.? You know, the one that turned out to be a piece of crap that looked like a bad high school science project? Oh, yeah. Saddam could have taken over the country with that one. I believe you are completely wrong with this one. Kerry lost a lot of support when he said he would still have voted to authorize the war, even if he had known that Saddam had no WMD. So, what are you referring to? When did Kerry turn against the war? Maybe he did and I'm just not remembering it.

Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place??? You dont remember that?

Which is kinda a silly thing to say, not surprising, cuz if its the wrong war, how can there be a right time or right place for it, but hey, it sounded catchy. No substance, but catchy, kinda like its owner.

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by dculkin

He and his people planned plenty to get rid of Saddam. They just didn't plan for what would come next.

You mean they didnt think they would be sucessful in ousting saddam?

Preposterous. Maybe it didnt go as planned, but Im sure they had lots of planning involved. But how could you expect to anticipate what would happen. There are so many possible scenarios.

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by dculkin

To paraphrase the immortal Lloyd Bentson, W is no Lincoln.

God, I still love thinking about Bentson laying into Quayle. That was the best political line of all time.

It was Glenmore who used the term "experiment", so are you gonna say Glenmore is no Lincoln?? You didnt even get the right guys into your line,,,,

And its irrelevant. The person speaking the words make it no more true or not true.
So, by not responding, you are admitting you were wrong in criticizing his choice of words??

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by Austin85

How many senators have their kids enlisted and fighting in Iraq?

How many well to do Bush supporters getting his tax breaks have their kids enlisted ????

If you use such concepts to guide your decisions, then I feel sorry for you.
Those questions are irrelevant.

Did Kerry or Kennedy who both were screaming Bush's tax cuts should be eliminated, check the box for voluntarily paying the higher tax bracket they were previously in? NO, did Bush, YES.

Kerry, routinely doesnt give much to charities, but a look at his contributions to them show it always goes up astronomically during one of his re election bids.

Bush gives more to charity and has for years, than the super mega rich Kerry does.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place??? You dont remember that?...

Right you are. I shouldn't be surprised. Kerry was yet another lame Democrat candidate.

...No substance, but catchy, kinda like its owner.

The odd thing about Kerry is that I think he is a man of substance, he just acts like he isn't. Same with Al Gore. Oh well. I shouldn't criticize. At least they are in the game, trying to do what's best.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

You mean they didnt think they would be sucessful in ousting saddam?

Didn't say that. I don't mean to take away from the military people who put the invasion together, but the US versus Saddam was a little bit of a mismatch, don't you think?

...Preposterous. Maybe it didnt go as planned, but Im sure they had lots of planning involved...

Are you aware of anyone other than Glenmore who agrees with you? There seems to be a consensus that the administration botched the planning for the post-war period. Maybe you know different, but that's what I've read and heard.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

...So, by not responding, you are admitting you were wrong in criticizing his choice of words??

Can you ever forgive me, Mr. luvrpgrl, for not getting back to you sooner? I thought I was allowed to go to sleep for at least a few hours.

I've lost track of what you're talking about, so I'm not admitting anything. Or denying anything. All I know is that I didn't intend to say anything bad about Glenmore. If you took it that way, I'm sorry. From now on, I will try to live up to your high standards for clarity.

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by dculkin

Can you ever forgive me, Mr. luvrpgrl, for not getting back to you sooner? I thought I was allowed to go to sleep for at least a few hours.

I've lost track of what you're talking about, so I'm not admitting anything. Or denying anything. All I know is that I didn't intend to say anything bad about Glenmore. If you took it that way, I'm sorry. From now on, I will try to live up to your high standards for clarity.

Hmmm, ok

Glenmore said Bush is experimenting in the Middle east with a new plan
GLENMORE SAID THAT

You criticized it

I mentioned that Lincoln also used the term

You compared Lincoln to Bush,

Im just wondering why since Glenmore and Lincoln made statements about others who started wars as an experiment.