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[Honus]

Originally Posted by narwhal

Yeah, and he still lost

Oddly, the outcome of that election has done little to diminish the pleasure I've gotten over the years thinking about that knucklehead Quayle, looking like he had just been hit in the gut, telling Bentson, "That's uncalled for, Senator", or words to that effect. Thinking back over my entire life, I can't think of a funnier, or more appropriate, put down of a politician. It was perfection.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

Hmmm, ok

Glenmore said Bush is experimenting in the Middle east with a new plan
GLENMORE SAID THAT

You criticized it

I mentioned that Lincoln also used the term

You compared Lincoln to Bush,

Im just wondering why since Glenmore and Lincoln made statements about others who started wars as an experiment.

Hey, if that works for you, I'm happy for you.

By the way, I was hoping to hear back from you in response to my other post. Have you found anyone other than Glenmore that agrees with you that the administration did a good job of planning for the post-war period? If find someone, I'm sure you will let us know.

[mikemover]

Originally Posted by djugurba

You mean she's one of over 1800 mothers whose sons have been killed in Iraq...

And every one of those 1,800 sons KNEW that they were signing up for the MILITARY!

The "possibility of serious injury or death" is in the job description.

Regardless, why should this particular woman get to talk to Bush? What makes HER so much more f***ing special than the other 1,799 mothers???.... Besides, she already met with him once! It didn't bring back her son then, and it won't bring him back if she talks to him again.

I have all the sympathy in the world for someone who loses a relative in the military.... I'm sure it's a horrible, awful thing to endure.

But this woman does not deserve any special or unusual treatment just because she has nothing better to do than to stand around in the middle of nowhere in Texas and whine.

Mike

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by dculkin

Hey, if that works for you, I'm happy for you.

By the way, I was hoping to hear back from you in response to my other post. Have you found anyone other than Glenmore that agrees with you that the administration did a good job of planning for the post-war period? If find someone, I'm sure you will let us know.

Cindy sheehan

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by mikemover

And every one of those 1,800 sons KNEW that they were signing up for the MILITARY!

The "possibility of serious injury or death" is in the job description.

Regardless, why should this particular woman get to talk to Bush? What makes HER so much more f***ing special than the other 1,799 mothers???.... Besides, she already met with him once! It didn't bring back her son then, and it won't bring him back if she talks to him again.

I have all the sympathy in the world for someone who loses a relative in the military.... I'm sure it's a horrible, awful thing to endure.

But this woman does not deserve any special or unusual treatment just because she has nothing better to do than to stand around in the middle of nowhere in Texas and whine.

Mike

Besides, she is a liar. She doesnt want to meet with him again, she even said so. She is doing it just for the publicity. Her agenda is not what she says it is publicly. She just wants attention, shame on her using her sons death to get it.

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by MedMech

I agree! if Clinton fabricated the WMD evidence as stated in his WMD speech(see my sig) there should most definitely be an investigation. Better yet investigate every US congressman that led us to believe that WMD's were there.

All of those guys believed that Saddam haddam but the IAEA did not concurr with that opinion and they turned out to be correct. So what was Bush's regard for the IAEA?

On Sept. 7, 2002, he appeared with Blair at a shirt sleeves news conference up at Camp David and said, approximately, "We have a new report from the IAEA saying that Saddam is 6 months away from have a nukular weapon."

Turns out the report was from '98 (new report?) and they had said he was 6 months to 2 years away from having a weapon before the inspectors found and confiscated his equipment in '91 or '92.

http://www.celticguitarmusic.com/MlandCampDavid.htm

This is the same IAEA whose help is crucial in helping to prevent nookear proliferation. Oh Dubya-dubs, we shore do love ya'all.

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by glenmore

If all you only listen to is the MSM, I'm not surprised you haven't heard the "other" side. The MSM is relentless in their negativity, but fortunately there are other options now.

Sorry, I don’t listen to Limbaugh enough anymore to keep up with the cutesy phrases he comes up with to dismiss people to the left of Attilla the Hun with. What the Hay-ell is the MSM?

***edit*** Oh my, it just hit me: the MainStream Media!! Damn those liberal lefty, plants, just waiting to be activated by their masters. There is liberal media in this country -- Mother Jones, the Nation, The Progressive, In These Times, Z Magazine -- but the MSM ain't nearly as liberal as Rush Mountmore would have us believe. Check out fair.org or listen to their radio show, "Counterspin," if you want to hear some examples of such bastions of liberality like the NY Times doing toady service for Dubbers and crew.

I read this stuff all the time. I think their articles are clear and concise. I can understand why you don't like them. I don't like reading lefty stuff either. Plenty of disagreement in these articles, but that is healthy. Argument doesn't seem to be tolerated much on your side of the aisle.

Thanks for cluing me on what my side of the aisle is up to. I have a hard time keeping up with those guys. I do have a hard time with arguement. That's why I spend so much time on this site.

I detect the steady rumble of serious ax grinding going on in the Nat. Review. Some conservative writers are solid -- Krauthammer, Geo. Will, Buchanan. A lot of 'em are oh so strident -- Michelle Malkin and Dennis Prager come to mind.

You have no evidence of this. Common sense would tell you EVERYONE was apprenhensive about this thing going in. Show me ONE cavalier, Slim Picken's Dr. Strangelove type character before the invasion.

Very few of us have much evidence of anything here. I wasn’t there when Rummy-rum allegedly turned to an aide on 9/11 or 12 and said words to the effect that wouldn’t it be nifty if we pinned this one on Saddam. I'm not sure if "common sense" is a phrase that can find much application when the topic is Geo. Bush, Dick Cheney, and RumRunners. They have an understaning of how power works in this country but I ain't seen much common sense from that corner.

If you can stomach the lefty spin machine, you might be interested in this Frontlines video on Rumsfeld, complete with some opinions from inside players who allege that Rummers was in a slo-mo hurry to go into Iraq. The miracle of streaming media:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/view/

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

Besides, she is a liar. She doesnt want to meet with him again, she even said so. She is doing it just for the publicity. Her agenda is not what she says it is publicly. She just wants attention, shame on her using her sons death to get it.

Either that or she has the funny idea that this war, which chewed up her son and spit him out, is not making us safer, but rather stirring up hornets' nests and slowly bleeding us of blood and treasure.

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Either that or she has the funny idea that this war, which chewed up her son and spit him out, is not making us safer, but rather stirring up hornets' nests and slowly bleeding us of blood and treasure.

Precisely, and because "she believes" that, she wants publicity.

[Honus]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

Besides, she is a liar. She doesnt want to meet with him again, she even said so...

What did she say that was a lie? What were her exact words?

[luvrpgrl]

Originally Posted by dculkin

What did she say that was a lie? What were her exact words?

Publicly she is claiming she wants to meet with Pres. Bush, but when interviewed, she said she hopes he doesnt meet with her because then this situation will go on longer and be helpful to their cause,

[peragro]

Originally Posted by dculkin

What did she say that was a lie? What were her exact words?

"George Bush is the biggest terrorist there is..."

if you believe this then you really ought to either refresh yourself as to what exactly a terrorist is or book a flight to a training camp in Pakistan.

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by luvrpgrl

Precisely, and because "she believes" that, she wants publicity.

And that is wrong because....?

[cmac2012]

Originally Posted by peragro

"George Bush is the biggest terrorist there is..."

if you believe this then you really ought to either refresh yourself as to what exactly a terrorist is or book a flight to a training camp in Pakistan.

It is an exageration, no doubt about it.

OTOH, let's look at a facet of Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) that is seldom referenced. We spent 10, 11 years insisting that Iraq disarm. We had inspectors find large stockpiles and destroy them. Turns out they had shed a lot of their war-making ability.

So what do we do? Invade them with shocking and awful burning death from the sky. Again, after we, with help from the rest of the world, had insisted they disarm. It's a little like a cop insisting that a perp drop his weapon, and then shooting him after he does.

You might say, we didn't know for sure he had dropped his gun. A lot of other people thought he had (they were mostly right), and we heaped scorn on them.

Woo-EEE! Tha's a baaaddd m*********** Jack!

[peragro]

Originally Posted by cmac2012

It is an exageration, no doubt about it.

OTOH, let's look at a facet of Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) that is seldom referenced. We spent 10, 11 years insisting that Iraq disarm. We had inspectors find large stockpiles and destroy them. Turns out they had shed a lot of their war-making ability.

So what do we do? Invade them with shocking and awful burning death from the sky. Again, after we, with help from the rest of the world, had insisted they disarm. It's a little like a cop insisting that a perp drop his weapon, and then shooting him after he does.

You might say, we didn't know for sure he had dropped his gun. A lot of other people thought he had (they were mostly right), and we heaped scorn on them.

Woo-EEE! Tha's a baaaddd m*********** Jack!

Your point would be...?