Well, Im a believer in God, and I believe there will eventually be justice for all evil deeds, and I think the day will come when this question will be answered accurately, but not in our lifetimes.

I dont know how accurate it is, but from all the video I have seen, almost all the people left in NO during and after the storm were blacks.

Now, its pretty well known, that due to very legitimate historical reasons, blacks always were very skeptical of authority figures. I think that perception still continues for many of them, rightly or wrongly. Obviously they dont have as much to fear, and some of it is totally absurd.

I know some, but I coudnt say what the exact number is, of the black residents probably didnt respond to evac orders because of this.

I would further say, that the rantings and ravings of the bogus leaders of the black community, Sharpton and Jackson and others, preaching racism and hatred by whites, way beyond the scope of the actual level it is at, for their own GREED of power and money and fame, undeniably had to cause some people to have enough suspcion of authority figures to ignore the evac warnings.

You may not have any relatives or friends from NO, but I do.

For one, the metro area African-American composition is 70%. So what you see in news footage would coincidentally be, those folks who chose to remain in the wake of the storm...mostly African-Americans.

In addition, many of these people remained, because there was really no other option for them. Elderly individuals with no other family, dirt-poor families with little income or vehicular means to take on such an exodus.

While some nicer suburbs in the area were hit just as hard, many of the affluent communities are located further inland, above sea level.

I had relatives that left immediately upon hearing word of Katrina arrival, while others chose to stay. I have found no correlation to education level, income, or anything else that would indicate why anyone would choose one option over the other. I may pose this question later when I can actually make contact with these same individuals (who are all in safe havens elsewhere as I write this).

I DO think many didn't consider the possibility of a levee breach, but merely, storm and debris damage.

I don't believe a general suspicion or disdain for authority figures prompted so many to remain. I also don't believe there was any deliberate effort to slow aid to that area. Knowing the layout of NO, a levee breach that could flood most of NO, coupled with the lack of basic municipal services would stall pretty much any kind of relief effort.

I DO know that talk of how effective NO could withstand a major hurricane was pretty much "water cooler" banter and nothing else. Right now, we are getting post-mortem analysis of it every day.

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If you truly believe in a vengeful diety, then is it possible that the wrath of that diety was deployed against the victims of the tsunamis and hurricanes as punishment for their "evil deeds?" Or does the diety only smite those that aren't as religious as others?

The business of whom to smite is in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. There's some stuff about handwashing, masturbation, and menstruation that require smiting. I don't recall an actual hurricane being used as an engine of smite, but why not? I think Sodomy is a smiting offense.

Which reminds me, if Sodomy is derived from the name of a town (Sodom), what about Gomorrah? What happens when people Gomorrah each other?

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I'm not sure, but if they own 9mm's . . . can they tell us how things are in Glocamora?

HURRICANE KATRINA DESTROYS NEW ORLEANS
DAYS BEFORE "SOUTHERN DECADENCE" 8/31/05

PHILADELPHIA (Repent America) - Just days before "Southern Decadence", an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina destroys the city.

"Southern Decadence" has a history of filling the French Quarters section of the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets and bars. Last year, a local pastor sent video footage of sex acts being performed in front of police to the mayor, city council, and the media. City officials simply ignored the footage and continued to welcome and praise the weeklong celebration as being an "exciting event". However, Hurricane Katrina has put an end to the annual celebration of sin.

On the official "Southern Decadence" website (www.SouthernDecadence.com), it states that the annual event brought in "125,000 revelers" to New Orleans last year, increasing by thousands each year, and up from "over 50,000 revelers" in 1997. This year’s 34th annual "Southern Decadence" was set for Wednesday, August 31, 2005 through Monday, September 5, 2005, but due to massive flooding and the damage left by the hurricane, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco has ordered everyone to evacuate the city.

The past three mayors of New Orleans, including Sidney Barthelomew, Marc H. Morial, and C. Ray Nagin, issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to "Southern Decadence". Additionally, New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognizing the annual homosexual celebration.

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of righteousness emerge," he continued.

New Orleans is also known for its Mardi Gras parties where thousands of drunken men revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their breasts. This annual event sparked the creation of the "Girls Gone Wild" video series.

"We must help and pray for those ravaged by this disaster, but let us not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded.

"[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:45)

As it's been said "New Orleans is a drinking town with a party problem". Every group gets there day of glory - SOUTHERN DECADENCE, MARDI GRAS, the American Bar Association, AMA, EMS, etc, etc. Just like booking a room for a party, just on a grander scale. New Orleans is where people (groups, associations) go to have fun - no matter what their personal view on fun is.
New Orleans has learned to attract tourism by not bieng biased to any group.

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It is this type of message spouted from organized religion's figureheads that has caused me to detest a great deal of organized religion. I believe this is the type of message which has no place in a crisis like this. Jesus's most important message was "Love thy neighbor" and that is regardless of any sin they have comitted. Now is a time to help your fellow man, not condemn him. "Vengeance is the lords," it is not our place to condemn those we disagree with. But it seems such a message must be untrue when our religious leaders call for the assasination of world leaders who disagree with our views.
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I have lived in areas where hurricanes could alter your living environment and 28+ years ago I would not have thought much about it and would have stayed and had a hurricane party. Now, fast approaching 50 I can't get out of the way fast enough.

When I lived in Jefferson Parish right outside of NO it would ran bad every year which resulted in the water coming within a couple feet of coming in the house. The pumping stations were just able to keep it out of the house. I did not want to live in an area where pumping stations had to be relied upon to keep the water out of the house and moved after a couple/few years. People that have elderly family in the area may not have a choice like that. You think the folks would have evacuated prior to the tsunami if they had been forewarned.

Personally, I don't think god had as much to do with it as the folks that, years ago, set up a community that was to forever be lower than sea level.

I imagine that there are African-Americans, Mexicans, white folks, etc... that decided to, for whatever reason, they would stay and now they are struggling. I imagine that the people that you see em interview on tv are the ones that did not own cars which would have allowed them to leave. Keep in mind that prior to the hurricane and the flooding you could cover a large area and get around using the trolley. Unfortunately, it did not go far enough away from town.

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I don't think race was involved at all. It is a class problem.

Low class vs Middle and Upper class.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talk and b.s. gets stuck in a storm.

Where were those black leaders 3 and 4 days before the strom hit, clamoring for peopl to evacuate on busses that were procured by Sharpton and Jackson to help the masses?

I mean they did have several day notice...

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Exactly.

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Here are some satellite shots if anyone is interested.

views from space compliments of NOAA

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I was looking at some satellite shots, before and after, last night. I have some "almost family" that lived on the West Bank, in the Bocage/Tall Timbers area, in fact you could see the levee at the end of their street. Couldn't exactly locate the house, but the area did appear to flood. I also spent a while last night perusing the survivor message boards looking to see if they'd posted...did that till I was bleary eyed.

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G BENZ, my point was that undoubtably SOME, who knows how many, stayed behind because of a distrust of authority. I know it exists more in the black comm than others.

MTI, who said I believe in a venegful God? Venegence does not= justice. And yes, I would LOVE to see justice carried out on those who raped, and/or shot at rescue workers, damn them to hell.

BOTS, I believe the laws laid down in those books of the Bible were specific to the Jews, and maybe the Jews of that day.

Gommorah Gonnareah?(spelling?)

MAC2, for every preacher you hear ranting like that, 100 arent. Dont condem all organized religion because of a few bad apples. Jesus's primary message was redemption, not love. He came to redeem everyone who wanted it. His main mission was to die on the cross,

If we're talking Jesus smiting and not Moses smiting, it's the bankers and not the gays of New Orleans who had something to worry about. He may have been on to something.

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