Here's the point. For the below lies they should be impeached, arrested and sent to prison for life.

1) Cheney said it was “pretty well confirmed” Iraqi intel agents had met with Atta in Prague. In fact our intel agencies had pretty well confirmed that was not true BEFORE he was out saying it.

2) Bush was pushing the Niger yellow cake story AFTER Wilson, the IAEA, and anybody else who looked at the ridiculous evidence said it was not true.

3) Rice was saying the aluminum tubes could only be for nukes AFTER our intel agencies had concluded they were most likely not.

4) They all said Iraq was training terrorists in bomb making and other terror skills AFTER the source had been deemed unreliable and AFTER he had recanted.

5) They all used curveball’s mobile wmd lab and remote drone garbage AFTER multiple intel agencies had deemed him unreliable.

1. At the time opined, that story was not unambiguous. It is more or less discredited now, but some folks in the intel community still stick with it.

2. Bush administration credited British intelligence, which still stand by that opinion.

3. At the time of Rice's testimony her description was still the consensus. It wasn't until scientists from the Energy Dept analyzind the tubes post-war that it was confirmed that they were not of teh design that the CIA had supposed. Instead, they were probably for manufacturing short-range rockets.

4. Simply not true.

5. not true. There were INDEPENDENT lines of evidence suggesting that the mobile fermentation systems were real. One has been thoroughly discredited. The others have not.


Aside from these few errors in your list, not too bad.

How're things in Clear Lake?

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Gosh, so you mean all these people who have decided Clinton was a liar based only on seeing him on TV are mis-guided? Or all the people who vote for candidates they've never seen in person may as well have been looking at wax dummies?

Botsendorfledummen: seek ye some expansion.

ps: You stole Ba-da-boom from Leno or Carson.

They were proven right afterword, from a trial which Clinton lost, not when they were having their moments of TV telepathy.

Yes. Or consult a oija board or channel their inner light with crystals or hang owl guts on a thornbush on a full moon.

Which was it, Leno or Carson?

Which trial are we talking about?I'm guessing that ba-da-boom predates even Carson. I'm betting Milton Berle used that one before Johnny Carson ever thought about going on TV.

Speaking of funny people, I saw a Munsters episode a while back in which Herman had to go to the doctor. The doctor was played by Paul Lynde. What a tremedous comic actor he was. He just about jumped out of his skin when Herman came into the examination room. Funnier than hell.

For that matter, Fred Gwynn has got to be on the short list of all-time great comedic actors. Herman Munster was hillarious and Gwynn's portrayal of the judge in "My Cousin Vinny" was perfection.

I'm thinking bada-boom-bada-bing predates civilisation. Sounds very caveman-like to me. Best rendition of it though, has to be Mila Jovovich from 5th Element.

The one in which Pres Clinton lost his law license for perjury. Or was it suborning perjury? I don't recall.

I remember "Badaboom" from "Godfather," I think.

I know it wasn't original with me, unless the supposed originator used his evil powers of mental telepathy to steal my meangless phrase. To be fair, I must leave open the possibility of telepathy.

Yeah, well I have this funny idea that you save time and grief by not falling prey to a con-artist for even a second.

I'm an equal-opportunity head shrinker. First time I saw Clinton was when he and Hillary appeared on 60 Minutes in '91 or '92 to do damage control on the Jennifer Flowers fallout. I'm thinking these people are clearly lying through their teeth. It was obvious -- the exaggerated "Whattt??? Us?? Oh no, nothing like that goin' on with li'l ol' us."

Likewise w/ Carter in '76. Didn't trust that forced, worried smile. Genuine people, like John McCain, smile when a smile comes up spontaneously from some genuine mirth or pleasure. Carter's smile was too everpresent and forced (am I getting over, Roslyn?). I voted for Ford. I trusted his realness. Pardoning Nixon was the right thing to do. His wings had been seriously clipped already. Time to move-on. The people who wanted Nixon's head should have asked themselves why they voted him into office twice, resoundingly the second time. I never trusted the guy further than I could spit. What a bizarre personality -- layers upon layers of conniving.

I guess it's halfway agreed upon that the pardon cost Ford the election.

Odd that I would like Ford. Who knows? Why do we like some faces but not others? It's not just a matter of attractiveness, most of the time. People who spend a lot of mental energy on how they can put one over on someone often have a kind of buzz to their face, very little relaxation. Honest, big hearted people who make their own way tend to inspire trust and affection much more readily. Hence, we like one face and not so much another.

Why do you suppose that is?

Oh, as for the badaboom originator, it was Robert Carson, a radio personality from the 40s.

I've been staying out of these threads because I've lost all hope for the Bush administration regarding current issues. HOWEVER the paper trail on the WMDS is a mile long I cannot be blinded by the fact that every foreign intelligence service did agree that iraq had WMD capability.


What we should be worrying about is where in the F--- did they go? MY ass is tight as hell thinking that all of those munitions are somewhere.

I agree Medmech that the "munitions" you mention are a problem. Which is why the decisions made to not to secure ammunition dumps during the invasion and days afterward have come back to bite us and bite us hard.
My goodness, where do you think that all of the explosive devices come from? Those nasty IED's are killing American soldiers. WMD has NOTHING to do with it.

I'll meet you half way, there are/were caches on every block in bagdhad, but I do agree that somethings should have been done pre invasion.

1. The invasion should have been postponed, General Gonzalas warned that we were dangerously short on Special Forces to work with friendly tribes to secure the border and destroy munitions.. He suggested that without the SF support 500,000 troops will be needed to handle the insurgency. Part of the reason for the shortage was Rumsfelds refusal to increase pay and bonuses for SOCOM to help reduce SOCOM soldiers leaving for more lucritve mercanary or security jobs.

The ultimate failure of Rumsfelds plan was the failure to shock and awe the terrorist crossing the Syrian border.

But, the problem from the git go was not enough boots on the ground from day one. And the few who spoke out were shown the door. THATS the problem with this giant cluter$(&^!

Yip, the biggest problem is the anti-war crowd was fishing with the wrong bait. They used the tried and untrue Bush is an idiot angle instead of pointing to Rumsfeld's degrading remarks to Generals when discussing the war plan.

Remember I am for the war, but totally disagree with the way it's being ran, run or planned or any lack thereof. The war could have came and gone with SF and a Billion Dollars to put on Iraqi streets in insure that they will do the dirty work, you can't tell me that one of his trusted guards wouldn't jump at a big payday. The iraqi military would have been left intact and we would have been come and gone like Dexeys Midnight Runners.

I agree that Saddam was a problem and needed defanging.

The big question is whether or not a full-scale invasion, i.e. invasive surgery, was the best way to go about it. Jury's going to be out on that one for a long time, I'm afraid.

If rumsfeld was castrated we would have found out.