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Old 02-16-2006, 07:48 PM
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The more I read about HD Radio...

The more I think that XM and Sirius are going to drop off. I just don't see the point. I know that they have ads and the sats don't... but for how long? Cable TV started out like that too... and see how that worked. I just don't see it. I'm hearing a lot of really cool stuff about HD.

Anyone have thoughts on this? I have some Sirius stock and it's a dog.

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Old 02-16-2006, 08:02 PM
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The more I think that XM and Sirius are going to drop off. I just don't see the point. I know that they have ads and the sats don't... but for how long? Cable TV started out like that too... and see how that worked. I just don't see it. I'm hearing a lot of really cool stuff about HD.

Anyone have thoughts on this? I have some Sirius stock and it's a dog.

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Will it have on-air advertising? If so, no thanks.

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Old 02-17-2006, 12:47 AM
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The more I think that XM and Sirius are going to drop off. I just don't see the point. I know that they have ads and the sats don't... but for how long? Cable TV started out like that too... and see how that worked. I just don't see it. I'm hearing a lot of really cool stuff about HD.

Anyone have thoughts on this? I have some Sirius stock and it's a dog.

Pete
If you do the math how many new subscribers equals Howard Sterns contract? They need to more than double the number they have JUST TOO BREAK EVEN. Really dumb business move. Sterns fans are adolescent males who I doubt would pay to hear him, but I guess since they are sitting at home on the couch on daddys paycheck, maybe they could.

XM is posting anothe rloss even though revenues have doubled. So they have control over their profitability-need to cut costs. NOT by signing that worthless airbag Oprah.
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Old 02-17-2006, 08:19 AM
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If you do the math how many new subscribers equals Howard Sterns contract? They need to more than double the number they have JUST TOO BREAK EVEN. Really dumb business move. Sterns fans are adolescent males who I doubt would pay to hear him, but I guess since they are sitting at home on the couch on daddys paycheck, maybe they could.

XM is posting anothe rloss even though revenues have doubled. So they have control over their profitability-need to cut costs. NOT by signing that worthless airbag Oprah.
Quote, I agree about Stern and Oprah. They are far toooo costly to be supported by subsription only. Yet another reason why I think the business model is a crappy one.

I just don't see it. I'm sticking witht he piddly amount of SIRI stock I have, but from the looks of it, HD is the way to go. Yes they have ads, but so what? You just flip to another station like you do now with regular radio.

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Old 02-17-2006, 08:39 AM
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Quote, I agree about Stern and Oprah. They are far toooo costly to be supported by subsription only. Yet another reason why I think the business model is a crappy one.

I just don't see it. I'm sticking witht he piddly amount of SIRI stock I have, but from the looks of it, HD is the way to go. Yes they have ads, but so what? You just flip to another station like you do now with regular radio.

Pete

Re: Ads. Yep, that's the tradition. If you like it, stick with it. Even XM has ads on some stations--the ones I don't listen to. But it is the primary reason that I'll stick with XM. I don't mind paying not to hear advertising for propecia.

Secondarily, I like the large array of styles of music and other stuff that are always available. Thirdly, under most circumstances I no longer listen to recorded music in my car, so XM simplifies my life--no book of CD's to shuffle through.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I sure don't care what people choose to listen to or how they listen to it. Except for stealing artists' royalties, but that's another topic for another thread.

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Old 02-17-2006, 08:42 AM
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Re: Ads. Yep, that's the tradition. If you like it, stick with it. Even XM has ads on some stations--the ones I don't listen to. But it is the primary reason that I'll stick with XM. I don't mind paying not to hear advertising for propecia.

Secondarily, I like the large array of styles of music and other stuff that are always available. Thirdly, under most circumstances I no longer listen to recorded music in my car, so XM simplifies my life--no book of CD's to shuffle through.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I sure don't care what people choose to listen to or how they listen to it. Except for stealing artists' royalties, but that's another topic for another thread.

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Actually I do care, and I appreciate you spending the time to tell me why you like satellite radio. If you feel this way, so do others, the key is are there enough of you to sustain the model and make the stock worth more $$.

As to the little jab about artists' royalties... that was pretty smooth. I'll feed your jab by posting this: http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.cgi?l=1

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Old 02-17-2006, 09:43 AM
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I tried both SIRI and XM and choose XM. If the format changes and it's not to my liking I will simply unsubscribe. The overall cost is not prohibitive from anyone taking a peek at it and simply trashing it if you don't like it.
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Old 02-17-2006, 10:04 AM
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Quote, I agree about Stern and Oprah. They are far toooo costly to be supported by subsription only. Yet another reason why I think the business model is a crappy one.

Pete
Its not a terrible business model since only the music channels are commercial free. Everything else is just like FM.

I used to think paying for radio was the dumbest concept I ever heard. But one you have commercial free music, you will be hooked. If you have to go back to FM, unless its 2 AM, you will go crazy with all the commercials and DJ BS being spouted.

I thought the key to satellite success was getting the price of the hardware down, which has finally started. I got a receiver from my sister originally and had to buy a car kit and a home kit, each about $70 at the time. They are about half that now, and there are other hardware players causing competition. If you buy the hardware on Ebay you can save a ton. The MyFi unit is around $150 and it has all the connections for car and home, plus you can wear it and its battery operated. Its fairly big and not as easy to drag around as those tiny MP3 players, but its a great device.

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Old 02-19-2006, 11:55 AM
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I am a Sirius subscirber, and honestly don't see myself going back to regular radio. The programming is incredible. They play music the way the artist intened it, uncensored. On Sirius, the all Rolling Stones station is fantastic. I also enjoy Stern. All the music stations are commercial free, stern has about 6 minutes of commercials an hour. Everytime a commercial comes on, I can switch to another station and the unit will tell me when Stern comes back on. What I find funny is when ever a commercial would come on or I lost interest in the show, I used to flip to an FM station. EVERY time, and I mean every, a commercial would be on.
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Old 02-19-2006, 01:46 PM
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I am a Sirius subscirber, and honestly don't see myself going back to regular radio. The programming is incredible. They play music the way the artist intened it, uncensored. On Sirius, the all Rolling Stones station is fantastic. I also enjoy Stern. All the music stations are commercial free, stern has about 6 minutes of commercials an hour. Everytime a commercial comes on, I can switch to another station and the unit will tell me when Stern comes back on. What I find funny is when ever a commercial would come on or I lost interest in the show, I used to flip to an FM station. EVERY time, and I mean every, a commercial would be on.

perfectly said. Only reason I went XM is they had this nifty little pick-up thingy that you stuff in the MB cassette player from the XM receiver. And it was ons ale and so was the monthly fee. I think it may have been either PC Dave or Suginami who mentioned it and I was like a fly on poo-poo with that.

Had Sirius done it first, I'd have gotten Sirius.

One difference somebody told me (dunno if true) is that Sirius has more satellites overhead than XM and thus, better coverage in mountains and other rural areas while XM has ground-based antennas augmenting their fewer satellites that provide better reception in cities with the local broadcast. Maybe somebody could confirm that. Anyway, i note occasional multipath problems with XM that always occur in exactly the same locations. I assume that this is where satellite signals are equal and the receiver drops teh signal until one is greater to prevent a ghosting or echoing of the signal. Dunno if that's right either.

If a mod thinks this hijacking would be better started on another thread and carried to the Forum dedicated to sound systems I'll do it.

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Old 02-19-2006, 03:57 PM
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I have had both and Sirius sucked I listened 12 hours a day and the stations played a very short loop of tunes. It may have changed since then but I got tired of the same ol same ol. FM has been so polluted with commercials and dumbass DJ's that I have no idea who my local radio providers are I'm satellite til the end.

People thought about fee based commercial free movie channels on cable and sat tv would never survive and HBO did have it's share of tough times but look at what we have today.

The bottom line is people are willing to pay for the convince and quality of a technology and once hooked they stay till the end. A combined 9 Million subscriptions is nothing to sneeze at.

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Old 02-19-2006, 07:04 PM
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The more I think that XM and Sirius are going to drop off. I just don't see the point. I know that they have ads and the sats don't... but for how long? Cable TV started out like that too... and see how that worked. I just don't see it. I'm hearing a lot of really cool stuff about HD.

Anyone have thoughts on this? I have some Sirius stock and it's a dog.

Pete
I have XM in my SD, and I also have a SkyFi unit that I move around the house; I love XM. If you live near NYC or Philly and have dozens of stations to choose from you may be forgetting the access factor. I originally got XM because I live in a small town 30 mountainous miles from the nearest major(ish) city. There aren't many repeaters up here, and there's not much static-free choice. With XM, I've got infinite choice with perfect quality. Similarly, I drive to SoCal and to eastern Wyoming a lot, and there's nothing in the middle. With XM, not an issue. HD does nothing for the access issue.

I think XM and Sirius are probably sixes in the programming dept, unless you're obsessed with Stern or one of the other content sources that one has over the other. I've had no problems with XM access (from an antenna inside the windshield on the dash) except at the bottom of serious canyons, which isn't that often. I'd guess Sirius would have similar problems.
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Old 02-19-2006, 08:26 PM
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The more I think that XM and Sirius are going to drop off. I just don't see the point. I know that they have ads and the sats don't... but for how long? Cable TV started out like that too... and see how that worked. I just don't see it. I'm hearing a lot of really cool stuff about HD.

Anyone have thoughts on this? I have some Sirius stock and it's a dog.

Pete
It's a conspiracy. Pella windows... Sirius stock.... GM stock.... They are all out to get us.

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