McCartney's should not be allowed on tv
They looked like fools on CNN.
Uninformed celebs sensationalizing things. Seals only for their fur? These two obvisouly do not know much. |
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I saw the show as well. McCartney and his wife came across as arrogant, rude, uninformed and very out of touch with the realities of fishermen. They said that the fishermen only make a "little" money off the seal hunt. It might be a "little" money to him but it is a lot of money to the fishermen. Nobody goes out on an ice flow in the middle of focking winter and kills seals for 18 hours a day because they do not need the focking money. Inhumane? Yes, welcome to the human race. Morons. Here is an article from cbc.com. What else do you use seal for? Flippers taste awful! Spiral .................................................................................. McCartney used by groups, Williams says Last updated Mar 4 2006 07:30 AM NST CBC News Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams took on ex-Beatle Paul McCartney and his wife during a heated debate Friday night over the Canadian seal hunt, accusing the high-profile couple of being misinformed and used by some animal rights groups. "My concern here is that the McCartneys are not completely informed," Williams said during the debate aired on CNN's Larry King Live. * FROM MARCH 3, 2006: Williams, McCartney to talk seals on Larry King show McCartney, who with his wife Heather Mills McCartney visited seal pups in the Gulf of St. Lawrence Thursday, has joined a tradition of international celebrities seeking to stop the harp seal hunt. Paul McCartney attracted international attention with his visit this week to see seal pups off the Magdalen Islands. (CP Photo/Tom Hanson) They have called the hunt inhumane and a stain on Canada's reputation. Williams, who appeared on the last half of the broadcast, immediately challenged Mills McCartney's assertion that most seals are clubbed. In fact, Williams said, 90 per cent are killed by bullet. He said the hunt is carried out humanely, and that that it is supported by scientists, veterinarians and organizations like the UN and the World Wildlife Fund. Williams argued that the seal population has tripled from two million to 5.8 million. He said if that is allowed to continue the "inhumane consequence of that is that these seals will starve." * FROM CBC ARCHIVES: Pelts, Pups and Protest: The Atlantic Seal Hunt Mills McCartney interjected to say that it's completely normal for there to be millions of seals. McCartney said that in the 1950s and 1960s, there was an overculling of the seal population where they dropped to a dangerously low level. Over the last three years, he said, that level of killing is happening again. "Even though at this moment in time there may be enough seals, the population could drop in the same way as it did in the 50s and 60s," McCartney said. Williams said only three per cent of the seals have been taken. Danny Williams Danny Williams The McCartneys spoke to host Larry King from a studio in Charlottetown. Williams was taped at a CBC Television studio in St. John's. The most heated exchanges occurred between Mills and Williams. When King asked Mills McCartney to respond on the number of seals actually killed by bullets, she replied : "It's just not true. It's complete and absolute rubbish." Williams repeated that Mills McCartney was incorrect. "I have to set the record straight. I live here and I actually know." * DEPARTMENT OF FISHERIES & OCEANS: Seal Hunt: Myths and Realities External site Video of seals being clubbed to death during past hunts was shown several times during the show. Williams rejected McCartney's premise that no reasonable person who saw footage of the hunt would say it is humane. Williams said if you go into any slaughterhouse and put white sheets on the floor, "then you're going to see blood. And that's not nice and that's not pleasant." * FROM MARCH 3, 2006: Visit outports, not just pups, sealer tells McCartney Williams went on to say that the couple is being used by organizations like the IFAW, Greenpeace and PETA who raise hundreds of millions of dollars. He added that the FBI has terrorist files on these groups. But Mills McCartney slammed Williams for going off on a tangent. "Why are you not sticking to the seal hunt? The fact that it's used for fashion, the fact that they are inhumanely killed," she said. "Why don't you stick to the subject. You're such a politician. You keep going off on irrelevant things." "This is about propaganda," Williams responded. "This is about using superstars like your husband." The McCartneys' visit was arranged by the Humane Society of the United States, which said the pop star's involvement attracted enormous media attention around the world. * EXTERNAL SITE: Humane Society of the United States External site After the debate, Williams said he felt he made inroads. "They seemed to get defensive at times which I think was good from our perspective because it showed that we were making our points," said Williams, who called being asked to appear on the show a "golden opportunity" to address millions of people. Peter Ralph, a St. John's lawyer who watched the debate in a pub, thought the program was skewed in the McCartneys' favour, as Williams was not invited to speak for half the show. "It seemed like it was a set up for Humane Society propaganda, and Larry King was useless. The point wasn't to have a good debate, obviously," Ralph said. Another patron, Gerry Heffernan, said that in the end there was no clear winner. "I don't know who actually won the debate," said pub patron Gerry Heffernan. "[But] I think that Danny held his own with the superstars." The CNN appearance was the talk of Newfoundland and Labrador on Friday. "I guess when you put a Paul McCartney into the mix, it's all about theatre to some degree," resident Rob Dunphy said before the telecast. "Danny has a chance to take that and make it work in our favour for a change." "It's going to bring a lot of international attention. It's going to be great for the province and to tell our side of the story for once," said Steve Webb in St. John's. |
I am still unclear on the purposes of the seal hunt. Oasis100 ridiculed the McCartneys for claiming that the hunt was just for fur. It appears that population control is another purpose. Is there some other purpose to the hunt? Why do they club the seals? To someone like me who knows nothing about seals, clubbing seems barbaric.
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I guess they haven't sufficient electricity for a Cuisinart.
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Their skins are used for leather goods...their oils are used primarily for those Omega-3 capsules you buy at health stores...their meat I believe is used for animal feed...it is no good for human consumption...I believe the hunt is used to control the seal population which may affect the Atlantic fishing industry...
They club them because it delivers the most direct and fastest blow to the head and knocks the animal out cold...once the seal is on the boat, a gun, harpoon, spear, etc. isn't exactly the most effective or safest considering the boat is rocking back and forth and the animal is in relatively close proximity to you... |
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They go out and club only newborne baby seal pups. So it's not to control population. It is strictly done as tradition and for the furs.
The fishermen are losing way more income because of this seal fur trade, because of countries boycotting their other seafood trade. So they can't logically be doing for the income. If they stop clubbing seals they will make way more money in seafood sales. I don't think Paul and his wife are out of touch with this issue at all. Most Canadians agree with doing away with the seal clubbing. (But I guess there are always going to be a large group of ignorant hunter types here who are probably in the NRA too, who think their testicles will falloff if these seals aren't murdered every spring.) Join the civilized world and Boycott Baby Seal furs!!!!!! |
How is clubbing them any more or less humane (what a joke) than say shooting them with an arrow or a bullet?
How much are they losing because of the boycotts? Are they at the point where they have fish in the hold and nowheres to sell it? |
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Seal pups are targeted because their pelts are most valuable for fur...but seal pups grow up and in turn, eat fish that fishermen can sell...so population control is part of the equation too...maybe population control is just another excuse made up by fishermen to justify the seal hunt...I dunno...it was one of the reasons I saw stated on the news report... Also, clubbing isn't the most humane, but it is the most effective...try handing guns and arrows to a crew and tell them to shoot seals during high tide...I don't think that is exactly practical...you will most likely come back to shore with a boat full of dead fishermen than dead seal...furthermore, clubs are reusable...bullets and arrows are consumables that add to the overall cost...given that there are only "so many ways" to kill a seal on a boat out at sea, I dunno what "other" options are there... As I said before, I am not saying this seal hunt is good or bad...I am just answering questions that I saw addressed in that news report I saw the other day... |
I meant if the fur was that good.
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May I suggest let's film a bunch of grown men running around clubbing human babies and then sit down and discuss the humane side of the act.
Clubbing baby seals has been a touchy topic for many years. Regardless, I think it should be banned. I was watching it on Larry King's Live last night. It was truely disgusting. |
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Ok. So you watched it. What's your point? That your beef, pork or chicken is obtained any more "oh so humanely"? You eat fish? Tell me about fish. Tell me how it dies when it is caught. It is left to asphixiate. I have caught fish and they have taken hours to die. Let me cut DOWN, not off, your oxygen supply and tell me how pleasant that death is compared with a quick club in the head. |
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Man II am ordering a pair of those, they would be the cat's meow for ice fishing. |
Paul McCartney- phew! Here's a man worth $2 Billion, earned pretty much from his good looks, as his songwriting and musical ability are mediocre at best. Why doesn't he launch his golden years toward truly humane -ie- human causes? I suppose ever since 1964, McCartney has never had much contact with the real world, such as fishermen trying to scratch out a living for their families. Danny Williams is bang on, and showed himself to be a gutsy defender of real people trying to make an honest living.
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I wonder if these beautiful little creatures were instead some sort of butt ugly reptile there would be the same concern. Some things touch a part of the spirit of some and not others. It's probably good to know who is and who is not touched a little bit. I'd like to know anyway.
If people could only know how much more tender beef is if it is killed humanly maybe would could do away with making the poor things stand in line ****ting in fear before they die. Pigs – my god they're so smart that they won't even willingly get in the truck to go for a ride. If we were smart we'd start clubbing those ugly fat people I saw out at breakfast this morning. There's to damn many of them and some of them even breed with each other. Uch! |
Just a few thoughts on & off topic...
I think the clubbing them (as apposed to shooting or ??) part has probably got a lot to do with the condition of the pelt when graded and sold, not just the safety factors and expense.
I agree 100% that it is odd to see how many folks are so moved by anything “cruel” happening to the cute and cuddly creatures of the world, and so little is said about the same thing happening to the ugly ones. Kind of a double standard if you ask me. I think a lot of these Hollywood types know just that, and will pick an animal/issue to support knowing they’ll get the maximum attention and/or sympathy they desire. If Paul was to go on screen and say that we should ban together to help stop the harvesting of snakes, crocs, or some other mean and ugly creature, he’d probably find himself in small company. I don’t think the typical “lime light - Hollywood” ego could handle that. As for “standing up for animals“. Sounds OK to me but, you’ll have to figure out where you’re going to draw your line and “sit down“. Don’t harvest little seals, but harvest fish. Don’t harvest whales, but harvest cows. Shoot ugly ass opossums, feral pigs and coyotes, but don’t shoot the nice deer. Seems everyone has a rather double standard line drawn. The folks that are the hard core “harm no animal for any reason and boycott every aspect of those who do” are very few and far between. I’m talking those who have nothing animal related except maybe a pet. I’m thinking that’s a good thing too. Otherwise in our world today, many of us would be living amongst a serious overpopulation of certain animals and the carcasses of many others that starved to death. There are 4 well known (amongst the celebrities anyway) low profile flight services in this country that cater to clients wanting to stay out of the public (and paparazzi) eye when traveling. We are one of them. I will admit that I spend a lot of time dealing with these Hollywood types. I can say for sure, that most (not all, but most) of the Hollywood/Entertainer types have little knowledge of (or concern for) the real world that exists outside their own little bubble. Their two main concerns in life are “more money” and “positive publicity“. That’s about it. (Many don’t even seem to care too much for the second one these days.) |
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Maybe Paul is misinformed, I have no idea, but I don't understand why people are being so judgemental of him. Quote:
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1) McCartney may not be John Lennon, but he's a few notches above "mediocre". How many gold albums do you have in your portfolio Coldwar????
2) Just like the Canadiain guy on the LK show going off topic to avoid the main issue, so are alot of other posts here. |
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I'm not being judgemental of him per say. Just a little with the folks that want to come across like big animal rights activists, but only for a select group or type of animal. And then, doing it based only on what "they" feel is going on, why and by whom, without really getting the full story. I guess caring for one is better than not caring for any though. The "you" I was refering to in the "stand up for.." issue was for everyone. Not just you. People in general. As for Pauls talents and music. I could care less. He’s got some ok stuff. Not really my style though. I’m big bands and jazz. Sometimes, some classic rock. (Van Halen when I’m flying like a mad man. :D ) If anyone else thinks he’s the greatest. Good for them. |
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Off topic? I think I mentioned how the seal hunt is a legit means for people to earn a living. That is the topic. McCartney has never in his life done anything to earn the right to say otherwise, except that free speech gives him that right. |
I'm Canadian and I don't mind the hunt. If the population is sustainable and the hunt is regulated/managed, harvest away!
The seal coats do look pretty warm, esp. when mid-January rolls around...:D |
I read somewhere that the anti-seal hunt advertising campaign is second only to De Beer's diamond campaign. They started with the cute fuzzy little critters postered on every classroom wall from 1970 and closed the deal in the 80's when those voices could become active.
I don't think I could personally kill one of those things but obviously the natives seem to enjoy it so CLUB ON furry hood brotha. |
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That was my sarcastic reply to him maybe not knowing about the other animals.
You missed the ”per say” part. You also seem so hard core to back the guy, you missed the line on ”…caring for one…“ as well. Lighten up and look at the big picture here. Judgmental? Sure. And with just cause. Everyone in any level of the lime light is going to pick the animals (or issues) that get the most public attention and sympathy to stand up for. Far more often than not, that sure seems to be the cute and cuddly ones as far as the animals go. For that matter, that holds true for most folks out of the lime light as well. That, to me, seems a bit hypocritical. If you’re having a hard time realizing (or understanding) this, you’ll need some counseling before I here can explain it to you. BTW - There are very few things in life that I will actually ever take offense to. None of them will appear on this forum. |
I'll have the veal please. Oh wait, you have lamb too?
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where is the boat?
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http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/seal-fur-03.jpg Yes...the fishermen do go on the ice floats too...does he really need to use the club in this situation? I guess not...I mean, there are about a billion ways to kill a seal... |
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These are natives and have been doing this for thousands of years and are protected by law to do it. What you should question is what groups advocate these special rights for natives. Some Eskimo's still partake in their annual whale hunt.
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Have at it with the duck. Have my share too. :pukeface: Make sure you cook it before trying to eat it |
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Now - There's no way you could be done yet. There's still plenty in my post for you to chew at. Please continue. :) |
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Look, I have a couple of compromise offers.
Why not anesthetize them and skin them while they're alive? That way we get the pelt and the seal gets to live. Sort of. Or wait, maybe we could humanely raise them in vast farms and harvest them on a scientific cycle. I mean, what's the big deal? Seals have no soul. They're just sort of like fuzzy, squirmy aquatic avocados. We don't mourn over skinning an avocado. What's the beef? (so to speak) Bot |
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It's clear to see in Duckmuck's picture that we have a bonding scene between Dad and baby as Dad tries to teach baby to learn how to play baseball.
Baby gets out of hand and cusses, so Dad gets mad. Heck, he should have had the mother aborted in the first place !! At least that's PC !:D :silly: |
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