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BENZ-LGB · #1 07-25-2006, 05:38 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/25/D8J37I5O1.html

So Hezbollah got caught by surprise?

Better not to wake up a sleeping tiger.

Carleton Hughes · #2 07-25-2006, 05:46 PM

You're correct.
No less an authority than my Gramps who went through 2 world wars and had dealings with what was mislabeled "organised crime" in the '20's and '30's always said,and I quote {with all due respect}"don't f-ck with those tough sheenies,they cut your b-lls off,sonny".

peragro · #3 07-25-2006, 06:04 PM

I really don't believe that they, Hezbollah, are surprised. I think that this is well calculated to get the very effect that they are getting. To claim surprise is like saying:

"Gee, I had no idea that guy would run after me when I stole his wallet"

Israel is in a hard position - damned if they act and damned if they don't.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad work towards doing exactly what it has always claimed they want to do - kill all jews everywhere.

BENZ-LGB · #4 07-25-2006, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peragro

I really don't believe that they, Hezbollah, are surprised. I think that this is well calculated to get the very effect that they are getting. To claim surprise is like saying:

"Gee, I had no idea that guy would run after me when I stole his wallet"

Israel is in a hard position - damned if they act and damned if they don't.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad work towards doing exactly what it has always claimed they want to do - kill all jews everywhere.

I have mixed feelings on this one Peragro.

I think that Hezbollah may have thought that Israel had gone soft. I mean, look at all the concessions recently made by Israel. The Gaza Strip, pulling out of Lebanon, etc.

Maybe Hezbollah assumed that the Little Satan had gone soft like the Big Satan.

Oh wait a minute, we did attack after 9-11. I had forgotten, for a minute there, that Bush and not Gore or Kerry, won the election.

I guess they were wrong about the big Satan too.

peragro · #5 07-25-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

I have mixed feelings on this one Peragro.

I think that Hezbollah may have thought that Israel had gone soft. I mean, look at all the concessions recently made by Israel. The Gaza Strip, pulling out of Lebanon, etc.

Maybe Hezbollah assumed that the Little Satan had gone soft like the Big Satan.

Oh wait a minute, we did attack after 9-11. I had forgotten, for a minute there, that Bush and not Gore or Kerry, won the election.

I guess they were wrong about the big Satan too.

I don't think that Hezbollah or Al Qaida are at all media stupid. They play the 4th estate brilliantly or, as I prefer Lenin's name for the 4th estate - useful idiots.
The conservative faction in Israel knew that exactly what is happening now would happen, unfortunatly they were ignored. Hezbollah knew this as well and played on them. Much like Bin Laden played on us during the 90's when we were pursuing criminal actions instead of the war that it was.
Hezbollah knew the response would be devestating to the civilian population of Lebanon, in fact they counted on exactly that. They have no other purpose in life but to kill jews and when they're finished they come after the West.

GottaDiesel · #6 07-25-2006, 06:35 PM

Hmmm... let's see how much does Israel "control" (read: stolen) as a result of all this? Please. If they kidnapped a roach from Sharon's nostril they would have used it as an excuse. This was NOTHING more than a nice excuse to go on another land grab.

And heck, why not? The US is paying the tab. Did anyone catch the latest about the batch of bombs we sent them?

Maroon 300D · #7 07-25-2006, 07:19 PM

In the initial Israeli soldier kidnapping I think the kidnappers did expect an invasion of Gaza, and they got exactly what they wanted. Is it really a coincidence that just a day or two before the kidnapping there were news reports circulating that Hamas was going to recognize Israel's right to exist? I think not. I think the kidnappers did the deed knowning that an invasion of Gaza would make it impossible for Hamas to recognize the State of Israel. I think Hamas wound up endorsing the kidnapping because there were really no choices left for them after it happened. To not endorse it would make them look bad in the eyes of their supporters.

I don't think Hezbollah expected what they're getting, though. Why would they want their weapons stock destroyed? They are firing missiles at Israel left and right now because they know they'll be destroyed anyway. For all the explosives they're launching, they're not doing a whole lot of damage to Israel, it doesn't seem. What are they gaining through all this? I can't figure that out. The best theory I've heard is that Iran basically made them do it to take the heat off of their nuclear program, but I'm not sure that's an entirely plausible explanation.

I don't question Israel's right to do what they're doing. Their soldiers were kidnapped and that can reasonably be construed as an act of war in this instance, as far as I'm concerned. I do wonder how wise this continued bombardment of Lebanon is, though. As others have pointed out, they are probably making a hundred enemies for every one they kill. Many Muslims want to see Israel wiped off the map but many would just as soon let it go, too. Engagements like the current one give the former group much more political traction.

This whole thing makes me think that Ariel Sharon's stroke was the worst thing that's happened so far this century. I'm not sure exactly what he would have done differently, but I feel like there would at least still be hope.

Right now I really have no hope for peace in the region. I'm reminded of a Peter Tosh line: "Everyone is crying out for peace, but none is crying out for justice."

Everyone in the Middle East has a different idea of what 'justice' is.

There will be no peace there.

cmac2012 · #8 07-26-2006, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peragro

I really don't believe that they, Hezbollah, are surprised. I think that this is well calculated to get the very effect that they are getting. To claim surprise is like saying:

"Gee, I had no idea that guy would run after me when I stole his wallet"

Israel is in a hard position - damned if they act and damned if they don't.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad work towards doing exactly what it has always claimed they want to do - kill all jews everywhere.

The "kill all jews everywhere" contingent is seriously whacked. Those people need to get a grip. Still, if the question for Israel is how to live in peace, not sure that this response will bear fruit.

Thery're so rigid and self-righteous. I hear reasonable sounding Arab scholars on the tube claim that Israel has thousands of Arab youth and adults in prison, many of whom, it is claimed, don't have blood on their hands. After seeing the lunacy of Gitmo, where only 5% of detainess were captured by our forces on the field of battle, the rest turned over by bounty hunters, essentially -- Israel and us share so much in techniques and tactics, I'm wondering if there's not some truth to it.

Given Israel's policy of overwhelming response, I wouldn't be surprised if that includes overwhelming detensions as well. "So we get a few wrong. So what's the big deal?" Israel will never entertain the notion that some of their detainees perhaps should be released. Giving into terrorists, etc., etc., etc.

And since "the terrorists" use ambulances or fake U.N. posts as cover, let's bomb any ambulance moving. Might be missiles in there, sonny. And the U.N. Post....'damn U.N.'s never been with us anyway.'

aklim · #9 07-26-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

The "kill all jews everywhere" contingent is seriously whacked. Those people need to get a grip. Still, if the question for Israel is how to live in peace, not sure that this response will bear fruit.

Thery're so rigid and self-righteous. I hear reasonable sounding Arab scholars on the tube claim that Israel has thousands of Arab youth and adults in prison, many of whom, it is claimed, don't have blood on their hands. After seeing the lunacy of Gitmo, where only 5% of detainess were captured by our forces on the field of battle, the rest turned over by bounty hunters, essentially -- Israel and us share so much in techniques and tactics, I'm wondering if there's not some truth to it.

Given Israel's policy of overwhelming response, I wouldn't be surprised if that includes overwhelming detensions as well. "So we get a few wrong. So what's the big deal?" Israel will never entertain the notion that some of their detainees perhaps should be released. Giving into terrorists, etc., etc., etc.

And since "the terrorists" use ambulances or fake U.N. posts as cover, let's bomb any ambulance moving. Might be missiles in there, sonny. And the U.N. Post....'damn U.N.'s never been with us anyway.'

Well, if the starting offer of 95% of what they are asking for in return for all the stoppage of attacks doesn't work plus a cessation of suicide bombings for 2 weeks, what would work?

Gee, arab scholars claim that? Of course they would. Did they supply proof of that? How are we defining "blood on their hands"? If you gave shelter to a known suicide bomber, would you consider yourself having blood on your hands even if you didn't plan, arm, etc, etc the guy with the bomb vest? I would.

Overwhelming response as in what? For 2 soldiers kidnapped and several killed? Yes, I agree with you it is excessive. However, lets look in the back for a bit. Lets see what has been brewing for a while before we consider it excessive. You seem to be so supportive of the UN and all it stands for so why don't you tell me about UN resolution 1559 and how successful it has been?

Nobody even knows what happened there. The investigation hasn't even come and we have a conclusion? In war, people get shot up. Mistakes happen. Friendly Fire happens. Should it? No. Does it? You bet. Now, if you had evidence that an order came from high up to bomb a UN post, lets talk. However, we don't since the investigation hasn't even started, AFAIK.

cmac2012 · #10 07-26-2006, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aklim

Well, if the starting offer of 95% of what they are asking for in return for all the stoppage of attacks doesn't work plus a cessation of suicide bombings for 2 weeks, what would work?

Gee, arab scholars claim that? Of course they would. Did they supply proof of that? How are we defining "blood on their hands"? If you gave shelter to a known suicide bomber, would you consider yourself having blood on your hands even if you didn't plan, arm, etc, etc the guy with the bomb vest? I would.

Overwhelming response as in what? For 2 soldiers kidnapped and several killed? Yes, I agree with you it is excessive. However, lets look in the back for a bit. Lets see what has been brewing for a while before we consider it excessive. You seem to be so supportive of the UN and all it stands for so why don't you tell me about UN resolution 1559 and how successful it has been?

Nobody even knows what happened there. The investigation hasn't even come and we have a conclusion? In war, people get shot up. Mistakes happen. Friendly Fire happens. Should it? No. Does it? You bet. Now, if you had evidence that an order came from high up to bomb a UN post, lets talk. However, we don't since the investigation hasn't even started, AFAIK.

Proof of whether or not any of the detainees Israel holds are innocent would be very difficult for anyone to prove. If Israel resists even looking at the question, it'll be tougher yet. They think they're enhancing their security by holding them.

We'll never know for certain how much new hostility is the result of family members outraged at the long prison terms for their family members they consider to be innocent. Does the benefit of keeping whatever percentage of these detainees that are guilty locked up outweigh the outrage generated by the lockups in total? Sounds like a recipe for 1,000 years of war to me.

BENZ-LGB · #11 07-25-2006, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

You're correct.
No less an authority than my Gramps who went through 2 world wars and had dealings with what was mislabeled "organised crime" in the '20's and '30's always said,and I quote {with all due respect}"don't f-ck with those tough sheenies,they cut your b-lls off,sonny".

Your Gramps is (was) one cool and righteous dude!!!

kip Foss · #12 07-30-2006, 07:52 PM

An interesting perspective on Israel:

The Middle East has been growing date palms for centuries. The
average tree is about 18-20 feet tall and yields about 38 pounds
of dates a year.

Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year and are short
enough to be harvested from the ground or a short ladder.

Israel the 100th smallest country, with less than 1/1000th of the
world's population, can lay claim to the following:

The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis working in the
Israeli branch of Motorola, which has its largest development
center in Israel .

Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were
developed by Microsoft-Israel.

The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at
Intel .

Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor
were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.

The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most likely
made in Israel.

Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside
the US in Israel.

The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was
developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world (after the U.S,
Russia and China). In addition to a large variety of other aircraft,
Israel's air force has an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is
the largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the U. S.

Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of its immediate
neighbors combined.

Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home
computers per capita.

According to industry officials, Israel designed the airline
industry's most impenetrable flight security. US officials now
look (finally) to Israel for advice on how to handle airborne
security threats.

Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the
population in the world.

Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than any other
nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people --as well as one
of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of
startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the
largest number of startup companies than any other country in
the world, except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups, Israel
has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world
-- apart from the Silicon Valley, U.S.

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right
behind the U.S.

Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest
number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle
East.

The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that
of the UK.

On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number of biotech
startups.

Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds university
degrees, ranking third in the industrialized world, after the United
States and Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.

In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews
(Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969,
she became the world's second elected female leader in modern
times.

When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in 1998,
Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a day -- and saved
three victims from the rubble.

Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship -- and the
highest rate among women and among people over 55 - in the
world.

Relative to its population, Israel is the largest
immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search
of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.
(Hundreds of thousands from the former Soviet Union)

Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the Kimberly
process, an international standard that certifies diamonds as
"conflict free."

Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.

Israel is the only country in the world that entered the 21st
century with a net gain in its number of trees, made more
remarkable because this was achieved in an area considered
mainly desert.

Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.

Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first fully
computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for
breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for
ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing
human error from medical treatment. Every year in U. S. hospitals
7,000 patients die from treatment mistakes.

Israel's Given Imaging developed the first ingestible video
camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small
intestine from the inside, cancer and digestive disorders .

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps
the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save
lives among those with heart failure. The new device is
synchronized with the camera helps doctors diagnose heart¹s
mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of
sensors.

Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians
in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the U.
S., over 70 in Japan, and less than 60 in Germany. With over 25%
of its work force employed in technical professions. Israel places
first in this category as well.

A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the Clear Light device,
produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band
blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without
damaging surrounding skin or tissue.

An Israeli company was the first to develop and install a
large-scale solar-powered and fully functional electricity
generating plant, in southern California's Mojave desert.

All the above while engaged in regular wars with an implacable
enemy that seeks its destruction, and an economy continuously
under strain by having to spend more per capita on its own
protection than any other county on earth.

peragro · #13 07-30-2006, 08:30 PM

Interesting list. It sort of makes the whole "who was where first" argument even more ridiculous than it was to begin with.

In the interest of fairness we should start a list about Hezbollah and Hamas and what they've done.

Here, I'll start:

Their research into the homicide bomber, or suicide bomber that kills people besides himself if you prefer, has perfected the art.

The ability of the Hezbollah public relations is inferior to none. Anyone who can convince a general populace that it's ok to shoot missiles from civilian homes and apartment complexes thus making said establishments viable targets is truly expert.

ok, I'm stuck, someone else take over.

azimuth · #14 07-30-2006, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peragro

Interesting list. It sort of makes the whole "who was where first" argument even more ridiculous than it was to begin with.

In the interest of fairness we should start a list about Hezbollah and Hamas and what they've done.

Here, I'll start:

Their research into the homicide bomber, or suicide bomber that kills people besides himself if you prefer, has perfected the art.

The ability of the Hezbollah public relations is inferior to none. Anyone who can convince a general populace that it's ok to shoot missiles from civilian homes and apartment complexes thus making said establishments viable targets is truly expert.

ok, I'm stuck, someone else take over.

Don't forget the ability to claim victory while bravely reteating.....