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Old 09-20-2006, 02:57 PM
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California sues automakers over emissions

Now this should be interesting. If they conformed to CA emissions standards, how can they be liable for the emissions on their vehicles Hold them accountable they say! Wonder what Californian's will be driving when they refuse to send cars there. I really wonder what % of global warming can be directly attributed to vehicles. What are they going to do next? Sue the oil companies for producing the fuel...
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Old 09-20-2006, 02:59 PM
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its always about me with them .. me being california, i swear lets just let them be their own country, cali this cali that...
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:48 PM
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Isn't that the same as holding gun manufacturers complicit in gun crimes? They make the cars but Californians choose to drive them.
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:52 PM
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they know they pollute so they regulate it, now they are trying to sue them for pollution that the state of CA is regulating... thats a lil screwed up and ex post facto (almost)
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:55 PM
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Isn't that the same as holding gun manufacturers complicit in gun crimes? They make the cars but Californians choose to drive them.
Great point. Guess the AG should sue the people living in CA for driving the car that caused global warming. I can see this now.
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They would have to prove that global warming is caused by man-made factors before they have a case? Too bad it won't go very far...

Lockyer is a public nuisance in California. I wonder if he can be sued because of that???
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:15 PM
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Don't they have to prove that global warming is caused by man-made factors before they have a case?
This BS really is over the top. In similar manner to the gun manufacturers, the government can spend any amount of money to pursue them and frame the case so that the "average person" will find the company guilty.

Here is another instance of my statements regarding the "average person". They can't see beyond what the government tells them.

I sincerely hope not, but this case may sadly go forward.
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:22 PM
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This BS really is over the top. In similar manner to the gun manufacturers, the government can spend any amount of money to pursue them and frame the case so that the "average person" will find the company guilty.

Here is another instance of my statements regarding the "average person". They can't see beyond what the government tells them.

I sincerely hope not, but this case may sadly go forward.
Bill Lockyer isn't the average person. He may be an average democrat in California, in which case your statements regarding an average person are correct. Guess who he is pandering votes from?

I would kinda like to see the case go forward. It could potentially save millions in wasted money in the future.
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:41 PM
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Bill Lockyer isn't the average person. He may be an average democrat in California, in which case your statements regarding an average person are correct. Guess who he is pandering votes from?

I would kinda like to see the case go forward. It could potentially save millions in wasted money in the future.
Is Bill Lockyer going to be on the jury?

That's the average people that will judge the case.

How's this going to save millions in the future?
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:11 PM
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I suppose all Californians should then move their warmth pollution to Saskatchewan. (the middle prairie province) Then the kids growing up there will be tragically deprived of 40 below winters and have to make do with 37.5 below. Centigrade.. Hah. Revenge on Canada!

Maybe Lockyer should try Medicine Hat in mid January at 50 below and he'd stop worrying about.........let's see what exactly is he worried about? Wouldn't be some new office he'd like to run for with the attendant fat cat pension for one term? Bet he uses a fossil-fueled limo to get around, too.

Actually, this latest is another embarassment to any sentient Californian -- as stupid and pig-eyed as the penalty tax on SUVs that genius Fran Pavley pushed through. The marketplace will regulate choice -- as soon as government, particularly inept government, begins regulating behavior we're in alot of real trouble. Wait, they already regulate behavior don't they? Anyone seen the IRS investigations of All-Saints Pasadena? Who elects these idiots and what asylum do they escape from undetected?

Waste - waste - waste. ... makes me want to drive more often and further, except the cretins in Sacto haven't done anything to fix most of LA's gridlocked freeways for decades. How about the 101/405, or the Hollywood split? Betcha more greenhouse gasses belch up from those insane standstills every AM and PM than any regulation could ever control. And who owns the antiquated highways?

Nearly t ime to shout out the windows, "I'm angry and I won't take it anymore"
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:46 PM
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Is Bill Lockyer going to be on the jury?

That's the average people that will judge the case.

How's this going to save millions in the future?
There's always a chance that a jury would see the severe lack of proof behind the man-made global warming facade. That would provide a precedent case to counter that argument. Of course, this is California, where San Fran and Los Angelinos pick the government. The case would probably be tried with these people as jurors and Lockyer could very well win. In which case, we'd be right back to doing what were doing now and wasting some more money on unproven nonsense.
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Its a money scam by the state to snag some dollars based on a popular "menance", along the lines of the tobacco lawsuits. Those were a joke, but got traction due to public opinion (uninformed opinion). Turns out that some of the states pension funds were investing in the same tobacco companies that the states sued. Nothing like hypocrisy on a grand scale. And here we thought they were looking out for our best interests....

On the car lawsuit front, its another joke. Why doesn't CA sue ALL the power companies that burn fuel to generate electricity? Because they would be sitting in the dark in short order. It would be funny if the car companies could refuse to sell cars there, but hey, that would be anti-trust....

I second the motion that the Peoples Republic of California be set adrift to tend to themselves....
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Old 09-21-2006, 12:11 AM
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Its a money scam by the state to snag some dollars based on a popular "menance", along the lines of the tobacco lawsuits. Those were a joke, but got traction due to public opinion (uninformed opinion). Turns out that some of the states pension funds were investing in the same tobacco companies that the states sued. Nothing like hypocrisy on a grand scale. And here we thought they were looking out for our best interests....

On the car lawsuit front, its another joke. Why doesn't CA sue ALL the power companies that burn fuel to generate electricity? Because they would be sitting in the dark in short order. It would be funny if the car companies could refuse to sell cars there, but hey, that would be anti-trust....

I second the motion that the Peoples Republic of California be set adrift to tend to themselves....
Whoa there! There are some of us in Ca. that don't think that way. In fact, if LA and SF were set adrift tomorrow the state would lose the majority of the twits that make up our state legislature and a few that make up our National Congress. Incidentally, we'd also reduce our pollution in the state by about 90% and those of us in the remainder of the state would reclaim many of our natural resources like lakes and rivers that currently feed LA. All in all, I think it would be an excellent move to just get a big damn recip saw and cut out LA and SF areas. Give em to Mexico or whoever, just get em the hell out.
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Old 09-21-2006, 12:13 AM
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My apologies, I should not paint the whole state with a big brush, it is huge and varied and the kooks are localised, but still vocal and powerful.
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My apologies, I should not paint the whole state with a big brush, it is huge and varied and the kooks are localised, but still vocal and powerful.
I hear what your saying. I have to live here for now...

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