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Old 03-19-2007, 11:59 AM
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Aviation - What a world. (Even for the dead.)

I’ve seen quite a bit in my aviation career.
Many things I thought couldn’t be possible.
But - Nothing like this:

(Reuters story from MSNs home page)
LONDON - A passenger in first class woke up to a shock when he found himself sitting near a corpse on a British Airways flight, British newspapers reported on Monday.
Paul Trinder, 54, said cabin crew moved the body of the elderly woman from the economy section where she had died after take-off, the Mirror and Sun tabloids said.
"The corpse was strapped into the seat but because of turbulence it kept slipping down on to the floor," Trinder, a businessman, was quoted as saying. "It was horrific. The body had to be wedged in place with lots of pillows."
The woman's daughter was also upgraded and spent the rest of the nine-hour flight from Delhi to London grieving next to her dead mother, the Sun reported.
The Guardian newspaper said the incident happened last week.
British Airways has apologized for any distress suffered, according to the reports. The Mirror quoted BA as saying: "We apologize, but our crew were working in difficult circumstances and chose the option they thought would cause least disruption."



A sad story for sure. I feel for the daughter.
But - I don’t understand how a “strapped into the seat” body could keep slipping down onto the floor. Nor, do I know why the crew would continue on a nine hour flight with a corpse in the cabin. I’m thinking that’s cause for an immediate landing. Especially for an international flight. Perhaps a request from the daughter. Even so, nine hours with a dead body in the cabin. I can see my 135/121 certs being pulled for sure.

I bet Trinder will fly BA free, for life.

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Old 03-19-2007, 12:11 PM
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I knew airline seats were too close together and very uncomfortable, but geez! THAT is bad! I don't know which would be worse, sitting next to a stiff or an extremely fat person.
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Nor, do I know why the crew would continue on a nine hour flight with a corpse in the cabin. I’m thinking that’s cause for an immediate landing. Especially for an international flight. Perhaps a request from the daughter. Even so, nine hours with a dead body in the cabin. I can see my 135/121 certs being pulled for sure.
I don't really see any issue of flying nine hours with a corpse in the cabin, other than the macabre aspect of the situation.

However, the issue is the determination of death. If a passenger falls unconcious, it's the duty of the flight crew to find emergency treatment as soon as humanly possible.

When did the flight crew learn of her distress?

Who diagnosed the distress?

Who pronounced the woman dead?

This story has the typical sensationalism that is prevalent in every aviation story today. When the real facts of the situation are presented, then it's time to pass judgment...........not before.
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I knew airline seats were too close together and very uncomfortable, but geez! THAT is bad! I don't know which would be worse, sitting next to a stiff or an extremely fat person.
I'd prefer the stiff........you can push him off the armrest..........
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:30 PM
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Maybe she was flying to London for medical treatment?
Or returning home to London from a visit to India.

If she was seated in coach/economy, narrow seats with a stranger probably on one side, moving her to 1st class with maybe a window seat would be less of an interference to the passengers.

I wonder: wouldn't her daughter as NOK have any say in what to do with the body? (land at first avail. site vs continue to destination?)
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:33 PM
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I'd prefer the stiff........you can push him off the armrest..........
Oh, God, pleeeeze don't let the air conditioning go out. . . .
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From the flight recorder..add on

Good afternoon ladies and gentleman, this is the Captain speaking. I have an announcement to make.......
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:41 PM
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If she was seated in coach/economy, narrow seats with a stranger probably on one side, moving her to 1st class with maybe a window seat would be less of an interference to the passengers.
Think about the mechanics of getting a stiff out of a coach seat and moving her up to first class. That had to go over real well with the breathing coach passengers..............pardon me..........need to allow this woman to get up front........pardon me............
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Think about the mechanics of getting a stiff out of a coach seat and moving her up to first class. That had to go over real well with the breathing coach passengers..............pardon me..........need to allow this woman to get up front........pardon me............
LMAO.. I was thinking the same thing. Head first or feet first? Imagine the poor guy sitting next to this corpse flopping into him with every bump in the sky. Reminds me of Aunt Edna in Summer Vacation.
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:08 PM
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I don't really see any issue of flying nine hours with a corpse in the cabin, other than the macabre aspect of the situation.

However, the issue is the determination of death. If a passenger falls unconcious, it's the duty of the flight crew to find emergency treatment as soon as humanly possible.

When did the flight crew learn of her distress?

Who diagnosed the distress?

Who pronounced the woman dead?

This story has the typical sensationalism that is prevalent in every aviation story today. When the real facts of the situation are presented, then it's time to pass judgment...........not before.
My thoughts too.
Actually flying a plane with a corpse in the cabin is not an issue.

I’m thinking there’s got to be something written in the BA procedures (If not part of 121 requirements, and I’ll have to look.) that states something to the effect of: If a passenger appears to have died in flight - terminate the flight and land asap. (If it’s contagious - An aircraft cabin full of passengers is not the place to be.)

And - When the flight attendant comes up and informs you that you have a dead body amongst the passengers - Moving said body through the cabin doesn’t seem to me to be the option of “least disruption”.


Yep - Weekend at Bernies and Aunt Edna, in real life!!
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Old 03-19-2007, 01:36 PM
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And, imagine getting her moved after rigor sets in.
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My thoughts too.
. . . If a passenger appears to have died in flight - terminate the flight and land asap. (If it’s contagious - An aircraft cabin full of passengers is not the place to be.) . . . Yep - Weekend at Bernies and Aunt Edna, in real life!!
Yeah, you know it's bad enough flying commercially with all the germs being circulated by that closed ventilation system. I almost never get sick, but I've gotten the flu several times when I was flying cross country. I'm sure I caught it on the plane everytime.
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Yeah, you know it's bad enough flying commercially with all the germs being circulated by that closed ventilation system. I almost never get sick, but I've gotten the flu several times when I was flying cross country. I'm sure I caught it on the plane everytime.
Ever notice the smell on the older aircraft? They all seem to have it. It's a distinguishable odor of ducts that have never been cleaned..........a musky smell.............and you breathe that crap for the duration of the flight.
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I had a similar situation awhile back, flying to Tampa. I had the window seat, guy in the middle was having a cocktail and started to go into a mycolonic seizure, when i realized what was going on I grab the cocktail first and passed it to the guys behind me, put his seat belt on him and made sure his head was up straight so he could breath, the guys behind me called for the stewardess who came back and saw this guy shaking like a milkshake, and me trying to hold him upright (now mind you I'm perched on my seat like a freaking bird). She freaks out and tears down the isle to the cockpit like there's a sale at Fyleans (sp) Basement and the plane sudden does a nice little nose dive into the approach. After we landed paramedics and airline personnel came on board and checked the guy out, he didn't remember anything. Everyone thanked me and the gay guys sitting behind me took me to the airport bar where we drank and sang show tunes.

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