New Provisional License Restriction?
 

What do you think? This may become law here.

For their first six months of holding a license, those under the age of 18 could not drive between midnight and 5 a.m. except for work or school or if accompanied by a licensed driver at least 25 years old. Also for the first six months, the driver could not carry more than one nonrelative under 20; for the next six months, no more than three of them.

Lame.. Theres similar laws here, everyone I know ignores them... including me

What is it trying to solve? Anyone have any idea?

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With the price of gas ... what's the difference if the kid is driving or not? He needs an after-school job just to be able to afford the gas to just start the car, let alone drive it.

MO? Good rules.

Most kids are "cranked out" of Drivers' Ed. and don't have even a clue as what they're doing out there.

Slow down the "life" just a little bit and let them get some "road" under their butts before letting them go nuts.

There might be a lot less funerals this summer and more folks at the 5th/10th reunions.

They been doing that in CA for a lot of years.

Whats wrong with it? Seems a fair law to me.

Would you prefer it be between 10pm and 6am?

WA has this law as well. For drivers under 18, the first six months has similar restrictions:

In addition, before the license is granted, a new driver under 18 must have had an instruction permit for at least 6 months and have driven a minimum of 50 hours, 10 of which being at night.

But what is the law trying to adress?

they should ban em from using their cell phones too!!

The law recognizes that peer pressure and distraction within the vehicle is a significant cause of inattention by the young driver.

If the peers are not inside the vehicle, the task of actually driving the vehicle might be attended to in a proper fashion.

Statistics show that young, and inexperienced drivers tend to get into more accidents when:

1. they are driving around with their friends in the car; and

2. they are driving late at night.

The reason for #1, above is that other young passengers int he car tend to distract the driver. Also, young drivers do stupid things, like speed up or take unnecessary risks, to impress their peers.

The reason for #2 is that it has been shown that tired drivers are dangerous. Tired and inexperienced drivers are evenmore dangerous. Also, a lot of the street races that result in injury and death occur at night.

In spain, the drinking age is 16 and the driving age is 18. I think that makes a lot more sense than our drinking age of 21 and driving age of 15.5.

I have gone through 3 teenage drivers and one soon to be a teenage driver, and I can tell you that as good as my kids are ( :D ) their level of maturity at 16 is not very comforting.

And it is not just them, when I was 16 I was a stupid jerk behind the wheel of my big Super Delta 88 Olds. :(

Makes more sense now. In that case I wonder if six months is enough?!? :D

With parenting there's a continuum where you give them zero freedom at zero years to quite a bit of freedom at age 18. I suppose DL's should be no different.

I think we have a similar law here that was enacted after a string of accidents that killed several teenagers.

One of them was near my old house where a group of four girls launched a boyfriends Jag XJS 12cyl off a steep hill @ +120 mph and smacked a tree killing all four girls. That was followed by a Ford Taurus and three girls that did not yield for an oak tree @ 100 mph killing two of the girls (sisters) and the driver walked away. Another happend a month latter that killed a would be brain surgeon when he crashed his Lotus graduation present into a tree. It shook my little community up big time.

When my daughter gets to HS age there is no way in hell I will let her ride with other children, its a shame that all of the love and devotion is trashed by a stupid kid showing off if laws like that save one teenagers life its worth it.

Back when I was in college, 8 teenaged kids piled into a Chrysler Cordoba after a party and drove down a winding suburban road at high speed. The driver lost control of the car and ran it up one of those steel guide wires that you sometimes see supporting wooden utility poles. The car spiraled in the air and landed squarely on its roof at the bottom of a ravine. I saw the car a few days later; not only was the roof completely flattened, but the upper third of the body was also compressed. Eight teenage funerals in a small town was an event that few locals will ever forget.

I support the law in question. Now, if I was 16, my perspective would be different, but not necessarily in my best interests.

I'm sure the 16-year old members here vehemently oppose this law!

But I certainly understand and support what it is trying to accomplish! In three years, I will have to face that awful decision of handing the keys of a powerful 2-ton machine over to a flighty 16-yr old!

Welcome to my nightmare.

Looking at old family photo albums I can pinpoint the day when I began to lose hair and when it began turning grey.

Wanna take a guess? :eek:

.........ahh........when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992?

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If any of you forgot, a few months back there was a link to another site that had a posting about a teen that took her dad's Porshe and ran it into a toll-booth at about 100mph, or better. Whoever took those shots must have had guts of steel, 'cause a few of them showed what was left of her head - it popped like a balloon - brain matter all over the scene.

I was able to save the shots from that posting before it was "edited" and the post was cleaned up.

If anyone wants a few of those pics, PM me for a re-fresher on why kids need a little maturity before being handed the keys to way-to-powerful-machines.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, these shots will do more than any lecture you could ever dish out. :singer:

Ohhh,who gives a flying f*ck off a rolling donut!

There are more important things that really merit our scant attention!!!

I was driving daily to work when I was 15 and had dropped out of school,no cop ever stopped me,since I knew most of them and I was 6' tall and could pass for 20 at least.

My advice is to redirect your concerns to those social and political problems that really merit our short attention spans!!!!

[QUOTE=mgburg;1501214]If any of you forgot, a few months back there was a link to another site that had a posting about a teen that took her dad's Porshe and ran it into a toll-booth at about 100mph, or better. Whoever took those shots must have had guts of steel, 'cause a few of them showed what was left of her head - it popped like a balloon - brain matter all over the scene.

I remember those pics (prior to them being removed from the original post).

Truly shocking...made me weak, not so much for the graphic display, but mostly just knowing that what little remained used to be someone's cherished and loved daughter.

I'm not sure I could even share those pics with my own kid! Even if I were to prove a point!

For those of you who can remember...did those Driver's Ed films in high school (Blood on the Highway, etc.) scare anyone into being a more sensible driver?

No, and they still don't. Kids think that they are invulnerable. It's always someone else who causes the wreck.

They also think that they're very good drivers, when there is no basis for this belief, and it is generally false.

Spoken like a man with no teenaged children. :rolleyes:

........do a poll..........

Ask 100 random people: "Do you think you are a "good" driver"

Want to make a bet on the outcome............??

..........he'll be getting there..........soon enough........

While you do make a valid point, the problem is that the teen-aged driver is much worse than average.

So much worse as to be a danger to others, especially if there are other youths in the car. We talk about testing older drivers since they get into more accidents than us middle-agers, yet youths account for far more accidents per mile driven.

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Statistics Teenage Car Accidents:
The number 1 one killer of teenagers is car crashes.
Around 6,000 teenage drivers are killed in auto accidents each year.
Teen Drivers ages 16 to 19 have death rates four times that of a driver age 25-29 years of age.

Most kids are pretty good drivers and take few chances. Their parents read them the riot act: Screw-up and you walk.

A small minority of kids are ****** crazy. They shouldn't be allowed out after dark and kept clear of sharp objects. Give them a car and they'll kell themselves or bystanders.

In between those two groups are a lot of kids who need to mature a bit or need to gain some experience. This is a good way for them to gradually work into it.

B

Let's see, when I was 16 with driver's license in hand, I was:

~trying to see how many kegs I could fit into the back of my father's 1975 Caprice Estate wagon.

~using a Jim Rockford-esque Firebird to practice my forward and reverse 180-degree bootleg turns.

~driving said Caprice Wagon, now with 2.5 inches of ground clearance courtesy of six passengers and the Genesee Brewing Company, up a glorified goat trail to the backwoods party spot. (When our mechanic would place the car on a lift for its many service visits, he would look at the undercarriage carnage and just silently shake his head. He never would rat me out though, as it wasn't in his be$t intere$t.).

~Racing. Anyone. In any car. On any road. I ran through a lot of tires back then. One time I was racing in the Firebird (I was leading!) and pulled out of a fast food restaurant/teen hangout parking lot onto a four-lane roadway, nearly being t-boned by the front end of a Ford Falcon driven by a fedora-wearing old fart. At the time, I was trying to make a left turn to go up the roadway, but speed and a sharp steering input caused the back tires of the 'Bird to break loose. I spun 180 degrees and nearly clipped the back of the same Falcon. I sheepishly pulled back into the restaurant parking lot where about 50 kids had universally adopted the Macauley Culkin mouth-open hands-on-face look. Not long after, I decided it was time to ditch the bias-ply Firestones on the Bird and slip on some Michelin X radials.

All this from a guy who was the darling of my friend's parents; the stable one who would keep their miscreant son out of trouble and be a perfect gentleman to their daughter. Ya, that was me. Imagine how the more overt teenage wildmen were/are driving.

I remember Faces of Death. Don't think they helped.

Another solution is just don't let your kids get their license at 16. I was a few months away from turning 18 when they cut me lose with a car and my license.


I think its a good law. Because if you hang around a high school long enough you will see this: 16 year old with a fresh license pulls up in their parents whatever. 3-5 friends jump in, the radio cranks, and the car goes flying down the street at 2-3 times the speed limit. If your kids said they didn't do this they are lieing, everyone does/did.

Back in highschool my friend had a good saying which I think is true. He always said within your first year of driving one of two things was going to happen, an accident or a ticket. From what I saw he seemed to be correct.

Nope...even during the darkest years of the Billary coup d'etat, my hair was thick and dark. :D

The day my oldest took the 300TE and pulled away from the driveway...Billy Corgan and the Smashing Pumpkins' Ava Adore blasting on the Alpine:

In you I see dirty
In you I count stars
In you I feel so pretty
In you I taste god
In you I feel so hungry
In you I crash cars
We must never be apart

That's the day when my hair began to fall off by the handful and began turning gray (rather attractive shade of silver I must say). :D

Man, you sound like me at 16.

Honor roll student, the kid all parents wanted their kids to be like, looked upon by teachers as the "oldest 16 yo around."

Yet, when I was behind the wheel it was like Jekyll and Hyde. My doppelgänger would take over and watch out!

I think that giving a driver's license to a 16 yo is crazy! :dizzy2:

The Provisional License has been the law in NJ for a while.
I have to say, I've seen a lot less in the way of teen drivers doing stupid things compared to years ago.
As a very regular motorcycle rider I do pay attention of who is driving what and their actions that I can see inside the car.

When I was 15 and 16, I spent a lot of time on my moped. It was a Cimatti that could do 40. As a result, I learned a lot more than most about how to drive in our NJ environment safely. Of course, that was prior to idiots with cell phones.

It would make more sense to actually train them to drive, and before that encourage responsibility, than to impose regulation to correct stupidity, however this is the USA we're talking about. But, when I was up until yesterday, probably sometime later this week again, I always take my junk off-road, where I'm alone. Rally racing was always my favorite.

A fine ideal, however, most don't have the desire or the attention span to seriously train to properly drive a vehicle. Just ask 'em. The'll tell you that you're an old fart and it's not a big deal.........any moron can drive a vehicle.

Sadly........apparently, they're correct..........

Yeah, I know, and if they don't get a license they'll drive anyway. It hurts them in the long run, in the form of zillions of road pigs and speed limits.

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Hey! Even the "pros" need a kick in the @55 now and then...

This afternoon, I'm heading through the west-bound construction zone, in the right-hand lane, and ahead is where the west-bound I-90 traffic is getting ready to MERGE back onto the true west-bound I-90, on the left lane. And about 1/4 mile ahead is Exit 2...

As the semi/18-wheeler is coming onto the left-lane, I'm even with him, in my PUNNY LITTLE S-10, in the right lane - He's MERGING back onto the true west-bound (I mentioned that, didn't I?)

Anyways, I looked up and into his cab through his small "foot window" and at the same time, I could see his right front tire move over to the center line, then it started to ride ON the center line, then...YEP - THE SOB IS COMING OVER INTO/ONTO ME!!!

I pulled on the sholder/rumble strip, hit the gas and squirted ahead of him by about 2 feet - a warm feeling was coming from ... Oh, never mind!

He did a very neat left turn back into his lane and didn't manage to jack-knife the rig in the process.

If I hadn't been watching him and thinking "WTF is he going to do?" I'd be wrapped around his number 2 & number 3 axles right now, tying up traffic 'til the chalking and orange paint dries.

He just wanted to slide over to get off at Exit 2, which is where all this crap just about happened.

I hope his pants are warmer then mine almost became! :P

DEFENSIVE DRIVING IS WAY TOO UNDERRATED...