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Old 05-17-2007, 01:26 AM
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Today in Israel

More rocket attacks.

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Old 05-17-2007, 02:08 AM
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Today in Iraq

Loud explosions heard near Baghdad Green Zone

AFP - 3 minutes ago


BAGHDAD (AFP) - A series of loud detonations were heard in central Baghdad on Wednesday apparently from the heavily-fortified Green Zone, which has recently come under mortar and rocket attack.

At least six powerful explosions rocked the Assassin's Gate area near Iraq's defence ministry and the US embassy, which are inside the walled district and a prime target for insurgent gunners.

There was no immediate confirmation of casualties or damage from the blasts.

On Tuesday, five contractors working for the US embassy were wounded by "indirect fire", an embassy spokesman said. On May 2, two Indians, a Filipino and a Nepalese working for the embassy were killed in a rocket attack.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070516/twl-iraq-unrest-security-3cd7efd.html


9 mortar rounds hit Baghdad's Green Zone

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BAGHDAD (AP) — At least nine apparent mortar rounds slammed into the U.S.-controlled Green Zone on Wednesday, wounding at least six people, the second such attack in as many days, an official said.
The explosions occurred shortly before 4 p.m., about the same time the Green Zone was hit on Tuesday.

"Preliminary information indicates they were mortars, but that hasn't been confirmed," U.S. Embassy spokesman Lou Fintor told The Associated Press. He said at least six people were reported injured but their nationalities had not been confirmed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-05-16-baghdad-violence_N.htm?csp=34


Wednesday, May 16, 2007



Baghdad’s Green Zone attacked



BAGHDAD (AP) — At least nine apparent mortar rounds slammed into the U.S.-controlled Green Zone on Wednesday, wounding at least six people, the second such attack in as many days, an official said.

The explosions occurred shortly before 4 p.m., about the same time the Green Zone was hit Tuesday.

“Preliminary information indicates they were mortars, but that hasn’t been confirmed,” U.S. Embassy spokesman Lou Fintor told The Associated Press. He said at least six people were reported injured but their nationalities had not been confirmed.

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=262486



Six hurt in attack on Baghdad's Green Zone: U.S.
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Six people were wounded after nine rounds of what appeared to be mortar bombs slammed into the heavily fortified Green Zone compound in central Baghdad on Wednesday, a U.S. embassy spokesman said.

Insurgents have recently stepped up mortar and rocket attacks on the zone, which houses parliament, many government ministries, the U.S. embassy and other foreign missions.

Five U.S. embassy contract workers were hurt on Tuesday when at least one round of "indirect fire" landed in the zone. Earlier this month, four U.S. government contractors, all from Asia, were killed in a rocket strike.

A U.S. embassy spokesman did not provide more details of Wednesday's attack.

Sunni Arab insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq have claimed responsibility for mortar attacks on the Green Zone, which housed Saddam Hussein's main presidential palace until he was toppled in a U.S. invasion in 2003.

Casualties are still rare despite the frequency of more rocket and mortar attacks, mainly because there are large open spaces in the Green Zone, which also contains other diplomatic missions and the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070516/wl_nm/iraq_mortars_dc_1



Shells hit Baghdad's Green Zone, wound six 38 minutes ago



BAGHDAD (AFP) - At least nine mortars or rockets hit Baghdad's fortified Green Zone, which houses the US embassy and Iraqi government offices, and injured six people on Wednesday, an official said, citing "preliminary reports".

Powerful explosions rocked the Assassin's Gate area near Iraq's defence ministry and the US embassy compound, which is inside the walled district and has in recent weeks become a prime target for insurgent gunners.

US embassy spokesman Lou Fintor said that at around 4:00 pm (1200 GMT) "at least nine rounds of indirect fire impacted in the International Zone. Preliminary reports indicate six injuries."

He was not able to confirm the nationalities of the wounded.

On Tuesday, five contractors working for the US embassy were wounded by "indirect fire", an embassy spokesman said. On May 2, two Indians, a Filipino and a Nepalese working for the embassy were killed in a rocket attack.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070516/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestsecurity_070516132437


Attacks in Green Zone kill two

Associated Press - May 16, 2007 11:53 AM ET

The US Embassy says at least two Iraqis are dead after ten mortar rounds slammed into Baghdad's Green Zone. Ten other people are wounded.

An embassy spokesman says 2 of the wounded are foreigners, but aren't American.

The explosions happened about 24 hours after another Green Zone attack.

Elsewhere in Iraq today, a car bomb killed at least 32 people in a Shiite enclave northeast of Baghdad. And clashes broke out between militants and police in a mostly-Shiite city in southern Iraq, leaving nine Iraqis dead.

http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=6524634

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And today in Somalia? Ethiopia? What about today in the UNITED STATES?

What's your point?

We're a nation where it isn't uncommon for school teachers to make $100K yet we have children who can't read.

Let Israel take care of Israel. And let's take care of our own children.

That's a REAL "No child left behind" program.

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Old 05-17-2007, 08:06 AM
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We're a nation where it isn't uncommon for school teachers to make $100K yet we have children who can't read.

Let Israel take care of Israel. And let's take care of our own children.
But is it because of a lack of funds? I think not. It is known that we spend more per student than most of the world does per student and yet our results are poorer. IOW, our ROI is poorer than the rest of the world. IOW, money is NOT the issue. That is unless you are trying to say that US students are way different than the rest of the world. So even if we dumped more money into the education fund, how would it help? More money is not always the answer. You don't always get more results by dumping more money in. More money helps only if the problem is a lack of funds. More money will NOT help if the students lack the motivation.

Please explain why there are neighborhood covenants. I own my house and property, what has that got to do with you whether I have a lawn or just bare sand. Why do you care of my house looks like a disaster/war zone? It is not your property, right? Well, yes and no. Problem is your mess might affect my resale value. So your problem also becomes my problem. My neighbor has dandelions. Well, as we approach the border of our properties, we can see that I have more and more dandelions. Hence, when I apply "weed and feed" on my property, I make a pass in his property too.
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But is it because of a lack of funds? I think not. It is known that we spend more per student than most of the world does per student and yet our results are poorer. IOW, our ROI is poorer than the rest of the world. IOW, money is NOT the issue. That is unless you are trying to say that US students are way different than the rest of the world. So even if we dumped more money into the education fund, how would it help? More money is not always the answer. You don't always get more results by dumping more money in. More money helps only if the problem is a lack of funds. More money will NOT help if the students lack the motivation.

Please explain why there are neighborhood covenants. I own my house and property, what has that got to do with you whether I have a lawn or just bare sand. Why do you care of my house looks like a disaster/war zone? It is not your property, right? Well, yes and no. Problem is your mess might affect my resale value. So your problem also becomes my problem. My neighbor has dandelions. Well, as we approach the border of our properties, we can see that I have more and more dandelions. Hence, when I apply "weed and feed" on my property, I make a pass in his property too.
The students are as good as their role models.

Our role models are crap.
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Old 05-17-2007, 08:22 AM
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The students are as good as their role models. Our role models are crap.
By that defination, we should reduce funding. Why throw good money after bad, right?

If I earn 200K and you earn 100K, we average out to 150K. IOW, if we averaged our salaries, I lose out. We have some who are willing and able to learn and we mix them in with those who are not willing and able. Why? Weed the unwilling and/or unable out. In kollege, if I fail to maintain a certain academic standard, I am on probation and then tossed out. Do that for the school kids too. That way, we have more money for those who are able and willing and not have the unable and/or unwilling. The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. GET RID OF THE WEAK LINKS. Sorry, you need to be able to withstand a certain amount of tension to be in this chain. You can't? Remove that link. Don't have the weak link influence the rest of the chain.
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By that defination, we should reduce funding. Why throw good money after bad, right?

If I earn 200K and you earn 100K, we average out to 150K. IOW, if we averaged our salaries, I lose out. We have some who are willing and able to learn and we mix them in with those who are not willing and able. Why? Weed the unwilling and/or unable out. In kollege, if I fail to maintain a certain academic standard, I am on probation and then tossed out. Do that for the school kids too. That way, we have more money for those who are able and willing and not have the unable and/or unwilling. The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. GET RID OF THE WEAK LINKS. Sorry, you need to be able to withstand a certain amount of tension to be in this chain. You can't? Remove that link. Don't have the weak link influence the rest of the chain.

Although I agree with you to a point, the issue becomes even more cloudy when you toss them out on the street and they have no skill. The govt still ends up supporting them to an extent.

Grammar school and high school has become a way of babysitting those "weak links" until they get out into the wild.

Is is me or is this generation of kids more focked up than any other?

Maybe out parents said the same about us. I'm sure they did.

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Look the problem is simple. Most people, parents included, care more about Desperate Housewives and all the reality TV B.S. instead of spending time with their kid(s) (School, social, etc.) -- until parents realize that being a parent takes more than a drunken night in the back of pick-up -- things aren't going to change.

Paying some dim-wit $100K to baby-sit a kid without a decent home-life is futile. The dim-wit doesn't really care about the kid (most) and just wants their $100K -- the parent doesn't care about the kid, they just want their television "shows".

But we don't want to fight this war -- then we'll end up with a nation of smart, educated people, and God knows, Government doesn't want that!
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Although I agree with you to a point, the issue becomes even more cloudy when you toss them out on the street and they have no skill. The govt still ends up supporting them to an extent.
Ah, but you see, that is the issue, isn't it? People don't want to see people in the street starving. So, they offer them a handout. With that, they don't have to work. It's very simple. You want the check? You work for it. Instead of handing the check to you every month, I can make you do something for it. There are lots of projects out there to do.
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Look the problem is simple.
Be wary of people with simple answers to complex problems.

That's how we end up with the Hitlers of the world.

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Government doesn't want that!
At the time that Hitler took over as Chancellor, Germany had one of the most highly educated populations in the entire world.

That did not stop him from manipulating the German people.

If you believe that only uneducated, dumb people can be manipulated, then take a look at the experiments conducted by Phil Zimbardo at Stanford University and Stanley Milgram at Yale University.

You are in for a shock.

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Ah, but you see, that is the issue, isn't it? People don't want to see people in the street starving. So, they offer them a handout. With that, they don't have to work. It's very simple. You want the check? You work for it. Instead of handing the check to you every month, I can make you do something for it. There are lots of projects out there to do.
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Look the problem is simple. Most people, parents included, care more about Desperate Housewives and all the reality TV B.S. instead of spending time with their kid(s) (School, social, etc.) -- until parents realize that being a parent takes more than a drunken night in the back of pick-up -- things aren't going to change.

Paying some dim-wit $100K to baby-sit a kid without a decent home-life is futile. The dim-wit doesn't really care about the kid (most) and just wants their $100K -- the parent doesn't care about the kid, they just want their television "shows".

But we don't want to fight this war -- then we'll end up with a nation of smart, educated people, and God knows, Government doesn't want that!
first, i agree that some parents are crap as you have noted, but most still care more about their kids than anything else.

second, teachers are no more dimwits than any other professional. some are dim, some are bright, some are lazy, some are energetic. some only care about their salary, some really really care about the kids. my wife is a teacher and a damn good one who has many times come home in tears over some kid.

no matter what a teacher is paid, if you take a class from about 12 kids to about 30 that teacher will be babysitting at least in elementary school.

finally, where are the teachers making 100K, please? our school corp is average in pay for the country. my wife with about 33 years in and all the educational increases is making about 53K. i know that there are places where teachers are making maybe 2/3 of that so that would mean that there are places where they make maybe 80K. not many though. where are they making 100K?

i want to move there and teach shop.

not really.

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Today in Israel

Still more rocket attacks, on a school this time.
Islam the religion of peace.
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Ancient Chinese proverb:

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Teach a man how to fish and he will never starve.
True. But there is the recent AKLIM addition to it. "But make a man have to learn to fish for his meal and he will either learn to fish or starve. Either way, problem solved."
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Still more rocket attacks, on a school this time.
Islam the religion of peace.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3401172,00.html
I can see how a simple mind is equating Islamic Religion to the current events in Palestine/Israel.
Yet, it exceeds the basic meaning of 'stereotyping'.

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